Catholic husband; Italian by marriage. Pro-science; anti-scientism. Physics/mathematics/computational neuroscience. Student of souls. My faith confirms I AM.
Humanity is a reflection of God.
This is expressed directly in scripture:
“Let us make man in our own image”.
But it’s also psychologically and biologically accurate:
Man’s thoughts are composed of snapshots of the order of things in the world outside the brain. All the relationships between ideas that form inside of us only come to exist because they first existed in relational form in the world itself.
The word “God” is a reference to the sum total of all order that exists in the world. Man is literally a reflection of that order by the design of the human brain through associative learning.
We use anthropomorphic terminology to express details about the order of God because it’s the simplest language that can hope to be universally understood.
But given that we exist as reflections of the universal order itself, speaking of God in human terms is just as much speaking about God in God’s terms, too.
Is a confession of faith a strictly black-and-white thing?
Or does someone who sheepishly professes faith in some sort of higher power called God, and utter words given to them by someone else then become immediately and irreversibly saved?
If they then did good things because they were encouraged to do so by their new Christian friends, would that strengthen their faith? Would it help them to grow spiritually and increase their knowledge of and love for God?
Or is it either-or: they either truly and fully and knowingly put their faith entirely in Jesus Christ in a single committed act, or they utterly failed to do so regardless of the words they uttered?
@ProLifeIVF@SanctityAyz@MonadNews_xyz@frmarcellinus Fair enough.
I’m just adding that God may permit IVF and still ensoul a mechanically-fertilized embryo, but that’s not his intended pathway to life so he would not promote it.
@IWillObey18@CatholicDrip___ You’re stuck because works have an important role in the spiritual life, but Jesus pushed back on the idea that good works ALONE are enough.
Catholicism is clear-minded enough to recognize the different intentions and consequences of one’s good works, so this is an easy “yes”.
Maybe we can at least agree that work contributes to satiety?
Consider this a warning, not a condemnation.
“For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: If any one will not work, let him not eat. For we hear that some of you are living in idleness, mere busybodies, not doing any work. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work in quietness and to earn their own living. Brethren, do not be weary in well-doing. If any one refuses to obey what we say in this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.”
2 Thessalonians 3:10-15
@stevejeffe87722@homen2@CatholicDrip___ If you’re saved you should do good works.
If you don’t do good works you’re not saved.
Or like you said: your faith is not saving you if there are no works to go along with it.
So works are necessary as they confirm faith.
@pkh7276_pkh@CatholicDrip___ So now it’s your priests against my priests?
This should be fun.
I’ll watch yours if you watch mine.
https://t.co/UxYbbsRiPY
@pkh7276_pkh@CatholicDrip___ Why would you limit your understanding of Christ to only the scriptural verses that were kept in writing?
Those same verses pointedly say there’s no way everything Jesus said could be written in all the books of the world.
Clearly his teaching was word of mouth, too.
@JohnMar98888097@CatholicDrip___ Yes. You’re saying works before can’t earn anything, but works afterwards are evidence of the faith that brought your salvation.
So works do relate to salvation in a meaningful way.
Does a lack of works indicate a lack of faith, indicating a lack of salvation?
@HeckathorneJay@CatholicDrip___ One cannot work to obtain salvation.
But the lack of works indicates a lack of faith which indicates a lack of salvation.
That would seem to indicate that some works of some kind at some point in time are definitely related to salvation.