@RadioJasonAllan@needGod_net@redeemed_zoomer Hi Jason… here’s where I’d pushback… the text doesn’t say they were saved *from* the water… it says they were saved *through* the water. The water, itself, was the “agent” of salvation for those in the ark (with God as the ultimate agent, obviously).
@drdanchoi Appreciate your acknowledgement of this now… but even a cursory understanding of basic economics fifteen years ago would have told you that this was the end result.
@SenSanders The appropriate question isn’t whether health care is a right, it’s whether one citizen can be *forced* to pay for the health care of another citizen. If so, then a true right is violated for a preferred right.
@AriLamm When reading the Former Prophets it’s hard not to see an “overlapping thread” that connects them that “expects” that they be read as a cohesive, unified story (i.e., Kings picks up right where Samuel ends, etc). Whether they are connected to Deuteronomy is more the debate.
@SenTedCruz We expect transparency on your vote for Senate Majority Leader. As a financially contributing constituent who has voted for you 3x, a vote for anyone other than @SenRickScott will be met with disappointment and uncertainty in another six years.
@needGod_net@redeemed_zoomer The preceding verse is literally making an analogy to the literal water of the flood. If context is key then this context is pretty hard to argue with.
@NathanPrindler@biak777@redeemed_zoomer I’m responding to your question about the thief on the cross and why Christian baptism was irrelevant for him, for the simple reason that it hadn’t been instituted yet due to the basis for it having not yet occurred. Which is relevant with regard to the original post.
@biak777@redeemed_zoomer@NathanPrindler Christian baptism symbolizes the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus… none of which had yet happened when Jesus spoke to the thief on the cross. The thief was under the old covenant, not the new.
@MwmSpectrum@tomthie55en Because the NT is filled with examples of literal water baptism… so either there are two baptisms spoken of in the NT (contra to Eph 5) or the one baptism of Eph 5 is literal water baptism.
@mbird12 Appealing to inspired scripture for your view is fine… appealing to uninspired WCF and BFM weakens the argument (at least to pretty much everyone outside of those circles).
@robert_buciu @Particular_Drew Just displays there were fundamentally different ways to God pre and post Pentecost. Interestingly, the theme of “salvation lies on the other side of the water” was pretty prevalent in Israel’s history from the flood to the crossing of the yam suf to the crossing of the Jordan.
@robert_buciu @Particular_Drew Irrespective of whether baptism is a salvific event, the thief on the cross is a poor test case. Baptism represents the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus… none of which had happened yet at the cross.
@dellsbaptist @YourCalvinist We see *giving* in the NT… but that is not the same as tithing. Tithing, by definition, is a strict 10%. A tithe is not commanded in the NT, where giving is about attitude rather than amount.
@TheCStatzer Know you’re not the decision maker and are a long-time fan, but add me to the growing list of folks who are disappointed to no longer hear Cotton-Eyed Joe; was one of our only traditions. (And the electric guitar “pump up” riff is obnoxious and too frequent.)