@turing_hamster That said, it’s still a valuable debate because school is better equipped to provide some structures than the world outside school, and sequence often matters, but receives little/no attention.
This article by @greg_ashman here is one such example:
@turing_hamster Lots of binary education debates should be answered as ‘both.’
When the binary choices have different goals, both ultimately valuable, educators still must argue due to scarce time.
The rhetoric says ‘this or that’ but it’s really ‘what % of time should we allocate to each.’
@greg_ashman@daisychristo@dylanwiliam I’d be curious if there was any research into whether or not any of the feedback was even looked at by most students. I’m not familiar with any large scale, systematic ways of incentivizing students to read, much less act on, the feedback.
It is time for the United States Postal Service to ban junk mail.
Unsolicited spam calls are already prohibited by the FCC. Emails are heavily regulated by the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003. Junk mail is the majority of mail, 100 million trees per year. Enough!
@helenrey Yes indeed. A problem never to be fully resolved.
Once there is agreement on what to learn, there needs to be a way to measure if that’s been learned or not, but then even past that you have to know the depth to which that concept is understood.
It’s not easy an easy problem.
Call me crazy, but I don't actually agree.
I can learn from a book and have no relationship with it.
I don't have a relationship (much less a significant one) with those I follow on Twitter, but I learn a lot from them.
Relationships are important, but for a diff reason.
@helenrey Coming up with equations to better model “learning” has been an interest/hobby of mine for a while, but frankly I don’t think I’m any good at theoretical mathematics.
In my view that would greatly help educators focus on what factors they can have the greatest effect on.
@helenrey Attention is downstream of many contributing factors, but it attention that is the direct, causal mechanism for learning.
You could say that’s a “relationship” with the material, but that seems to incorrectly lead to social constructivism that I think is flawed.
@helenrey No, I just want to point out that this isn’t a universal truth.
Relationships strongly influence desire to pay attention and THAT influences the direction of attention and therefore the learning resulting from it.
But that’s just one of several reasons to focus attention.
A strange thing is going on right now: Both cognitive science traditionalists and constructivist progressives now seem to be both arguing for learning as primarily a social enterprise.
For example, I don't know who Dan Meyer is but I gather he has largely progressive views and this conversation he had with @mrbartonmaths is symptomatic of this thing I mean where the emergence of AI in education is creating a weird kind of alliance where both camps now seem to be saying: learning has to happen between humans in real time. I disagree and this is why I think the Alpha model is potentially so powerful. 🧵https://t.co/q8AwHezbra
And the cliche, "learning is an intrinsically social process" - can anyone explain that to me?
Learning is something that happens to an individual, often aided by those around us. But the two things are separate.
Please help me understand if you disagree.
@AtlasLiteracy My 7 year old successfully answered it. When I asked him how he knew he was surprised. “Dad, he just said it. It’s so easy.”
So yeah. I wish I knew “why” they would include something like that.
@jliemandt It’s surprising how differently we treat sports vs academics. Direct instruction, the need for fluency and automaticity, the importance of testing one’s skills and using feedback to improve…
It’s all just more intuitive in the sports world.
@ASmithAZ 1/3?! This result doesn’t even pass a basic smell test.
A basic understanding of learning would suggest a low to null causal relationship. How does this stuff get published?!
@ben_m_somers Overall though I agree. His conclusions are illogical. It’s, it doesn’t work everywhere therefore get rid of it.
It should be, let’s look at what high performing places do. Are they using tech? If so, how? Let’s see how we can get more places to be like those places.
@ben_m_somers Anecdotally, attitudes and behavior seem to have changed quite a bit. Many teachers I’ve spoken to have said they no longer want to be in the classroom and that getting kids to even do the work is now clearly worse than ever before in their careers.