@snowded@kaimarkaru Case in point: discussion about "are we doing proper Kanban", when the discussion should be more on the lines of "given the working context, how should we constrain&monitor WIP, how do we sequence work, what things we consider when deciding on taking new work..."
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@allenholub Kanban is just one way to configure a flow system. Certain rules for wip management, work release mechanism, buffer configuration and work sequencing. There is infinite ways to configure it. Are you/am I doing kanban is the wrong q. How should I configure my system more relevant.
@anitssh@cyetain Given that the improvement of quality reduces variability, freeing up capacity (less rework, failures, replanning etc.) thus lowering utilization and reducing queuing potential the effects would not be proportional (linear).
@RossiTimo Parkinsonin laki. Annettu tila täytyy aina ja toisaalta lisää samaa lääkkeksi ruuhkiin (tai mihin tahansa sen puoleen) harvemmin toimii… Sama ilmiö vaikkapa projektiaikatauluissa.
@viktorcessan @ComplexWales Add in some management consultants to analyze ’painpoints, make suggestions for improvement and establish implementation plans’ to be implemented by the teams close to the problem (with some goveranance model applied on top of course). Spot on 👌
@madplatt@TeamTopologies Yes, sounds like a good approach. What’s your experience on applying in practice? I would imagine it might be atleast awkward (4 mgmt&staff) if conditioned on the fact that busy is good. Not to mention the arguments eg.”why are we not utilizing the team potential fully”…
@allenholub The term ’root cause’ might be fine in itself. Maybe it’s just that we have to acknowledge that the ’root cause’ might also be a certain pattern (and have to describe it as such)?
@lasse_laitinen@Pasisillanp Jos käytäntö on paras, niin miksi sitä ei käytetä? ”Skaalautuvuus” ja kopiointi on mielenkiintoisia asioita. Välillä tuntuu että ainoa asia joka voi skaalautua/kopioitavissa on konsepti. Jokainen organisaatio onneton omalla tavallaan. Käytäntö löydettävä itse.
@pekkasauri@Pasisillanp Ehkä se isompi painoarvo onkin tuossa ”...ei edes nähdä”? Ongelma on että pitäisi olla vimpan päälle toimintamalli paperilla ennenkuin tehdään mitään? Ehkä keskustelu näiltä osin ennemmin siinä miten tilanteessamme ongelmanratkaisua pitäisi lähestyä?
@erik_schon I feel like these pics describing the kanban mechanism obscure the more meaningful thing: is WIP somehow limited? If no -> we’re not working in a pull system. If yes -> kanban is just one of many many alternatives to set up a coordination system.