Try to think in more than 4 dimensions. Any being living in 5th or higher dimensions doesn’t worry about time. It exists outside of time aka eternally. It was never created because it never had a beginning. It was always there.
You and I (humans) are arrogant and full of hubris furthermore we have weak retarded brains and poor ability to perceive reality. Humans only see a fraction of reality with their 5 mediocre senses and we cannot conceptually comprehend eternity.
Humans trying to comprehend God is like explaining how a black cow eats green grass, makes white milk that turns into yellow cheese to a 3 year old. Humble your ego and try to realize humans know next to nothing about this world and its creator.
If you are right and we all become worm food then no harm no foul. If you are wrong and you rebel against God then you are separated from God for eternity. That’s all hell is; separation from God. God will not drag you into heaven against your will. He respects your free will so much he will grant your wish to not be with him when you die.
Yes I’m familiar.
If you reject the holy, personal God of Abraham who stands outside His creation, you have no objective moral law—only shifting feelings, cultures, or “balances.” That is moral relativism, and good and evil become empty words with no binding meaning.
Calling God your “higher self” and the Devil your “lower self,” or appealing to yin-yang light-and-darkness, still leaves morality inside the human mind. It cannot condemn child trafficking, gas chambers, or genital mutilation as truly evil rather than just one side of a supposed balance.
Without that transcendent, righteous God, there is no final court of appeal and no reason anyone should prefer “light” over “darkness.”
@vvincompa@CLOUDWYYY@stfuayen No one is asking you to believe. Just investigate the source documents for yourself. Not distilled through a 3rd party.
Praying for your enemies would just be an experiment it’s not requiring you to declare faith or commitment to anything.
@Aaliyah289000@alexislunaa98@LiveAction The only difference is in gestation. It’s the same human DNA at conception as it is at 90 years old. It’s just in a different stage of development.
The universe is not self-explanatory. Something does not come from nothing. If matter, energy, space, and time had a beginning, then whatever brought them into existence cannot itself be material, spatial, or temporal. That is not a scientific gap I am stuffing God into. That is basic logic. A first cause that is personal, powerful, and uncaused is the most coherent explanation left standing once you throw out the naturalistic fairy tales.
Morality does not disappear just because you reject evolution. You still know that murdering a child is wrong in every culture and every century. That knowledge is not a social construct or a survival trick. It is a reflection of a moral Lawgiver. If there is no God, then “wrong” is just a preference. You do not live day to day that way, and neither do I.
Then there is Jesus of Nazareth. The earliest sources we have say the tomb was empty and that hundreds of people claimed to have seen Him alive after His public execution. You can reject the resurrection, but you cannot pretend the claim is a late legend. The men who made it were willing to die rather than recant. Liars do not do that. Lunatics do not produce the Sermon on the Mount.
@JohnRenfro2016@logistrix Never in this universe has something come from nothing.
Everything that has a beginning has a cause.
The fine tuning of the universe could not have happened by accident or randomness. It’s statistically impossible
@Cernovich We need to unite with our brothers and sisters in Christ.
Let us all agree on the two most important commandments (Love God with all your heart and soul and Love your neighbor) and let the rest be worked out later.
@vvincompa@CLOUDWYYY@stfuayen Np. Thanks for your humility.
You should read the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) for yourself. Find out for yourself what Jesus said and how he lived his life.
At a minimum pray for your enemies for 30 days. What do you have to lose?
When you say “God is existence. Everything is God,” that’s not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That’s pantheism. If everything is God, then the child being trafficked is God, the Nazi gas chamber is God, and the man cutting a little girl’s genitals is God. That view collapses the distinction between good and evil. The God of the Bible is holy, personal, and other than His creation. He is not identical with the universe.
Jesus was not merely teaching “consciousness.” He claimed, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). He claimed to forgive sins, to be one with the Father, and to rise from the dead. That’s not New Age language. That’s a unique, historical claim that either happened or it didn’t.
@Therealcalle1@alexislunaa98@LiveAction Another decision that will shape the rest of her life is living with the fact they killed your unborn child and will never get to know them.
@Aaliyah289000@alexislunaa98@LiveAction If you believe in the science of DNA and embryology they are new humans regardless of their position relative to birth canal
Jesus did not merely try to reform first-century Judaism. He claimed authority over the Law itself, forgave sins that only God can forgive, predicted the destruction of the Temple, and then told His followers: “Go and make disciples of all nations.” That is not an in-house Jewish reform program. That is a universal claim. The earliest Christian movement exploded beyond Jewish boundaries within a few years precisely because they believed He meant it.
On slavery: Jesus lived in a world where slavery was the economic air everyone breathed. He never issued a manifesto abolishing the institution overnight, just as He never issued a manifesto abolishing the Roman Empire. What He did do was plant the seed that would eventually destroy it: every human being is made in the image of God, and in Christ there is neither slave nor free. The New Testament letters regulate an existing reality while simultaneously undermining its moral foundation. That is not “God endorsing slavery.” That is God meeting broken people where they actually are and then changing the entire moral landscape.
If God doesnt exist then neither do objective morals and neither does justice because if God doesnt exist Hitler and mother Teresa are in the same place and Hitler won.
The real problem: if there is no God (objective moral standard prior to human mind), then “well-behaved” and “kind” and “unloving” are just words with no binding meaning. They’re preferences. They’re cultural accidents. AKA moral relativism.
If morality is relative, then the African tribes that cut the genitals of little girls are not doing anything wrong—they’re just following their culture. Who are you to say otherwise? Their standard is as valid as yours. The moment you say “that’s mutilation, that’s evil,” you have already abandoned relativism and appealed to a moral law that stands above culture.
That’s exactly what happened at Nuremberg. The Nazi defendants said, “We were obeying our laws, our Führer, our culture.” The prosecutors didn’t reply, “Well, your culture is just as good as ours.” They appealed to a higher law—crimes against humanity—that no government, no majority, no culture has the authority to cancel. That only makes sense if there is a Lawgiver.
An atheist can be kind. A Christian can be a hypocrite. That doesn’t prove God isn’t real any more than a counterfeit dollar proves the mint doesn’t exist. It proves human beings are sinners. The New Testament never claimed Christians would be perfect; it claimed the Holy Spirit would begin to produce love, joy, peace, patience—the fruits—in those who actually belong to Christ. You look at the long-term trajectory, not the snapshot.
But the deeper evidence isn’t a perfectly behaved Christian. The deeper evidence is that you already know some things are wrong no matter what any culture says. That knowledge didn’t come from molecules bouncing around. It came from the God whose law is written on your heart.
if there is no God (objective moral standard prior to human mind), then “well-behaved” and “kind” and “unloving” are just words with no binding meaning. They’re preferences. They’re cultural accidents. AKA moral relativism.
If morality is relative, then the African tribes that cut the genitals of little girls are not doing anything wrong—they’re just following their culture. Who are you to say otherwise? Their standard is as valid as yours. The moment you say “that’s mutilation, that’s evil,” you have already abandoned relativism and appealed to a moral law that stands above culture.
That’s exactly what happened at Nuremberg. The Nazi defendants said, “We were obeying our laws, our Führer, our culture.” The prosecutors didn’t reply, “Well, your culture is just as good as ours.” They appealed to a higher law—crimes against humanity—that no government, no majority, no culture has the authority to cancel. That only makes sense if there is a Lawgiver.
An atheist can be kind. A Christian can be a hypocrite. That doesn’t prove God isn’t real any more than a counterfeit dollar proves the mint doesn’t exist. It proves human beings are sinners. The New Testament never claimed Christians would be perfect; it claimed the Holy Spirit would begin to produce love, joy, peace, patience—the fruits—in those who actually belong to Christ. You look at the long-term trajectory, not the snapshot.
But the deeper evidence isn’t a perfectly behaved Christian. The deeper evidence is that you already know some things are wrong no matter what any culture says. That knowledge didn’t come from molecules bouncing around. It came from the God whose law is written on your heart.
Tacitus, a Roman senator hostile to Christianity, wrote around A.D. 116 that “Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.” That is a direct reference to the man and the circumstances of his death, not a vague comment about Christians. Josephus, a first-century Jewish historian writing for a Roman audience, twice mentions Jesus. The shorter, almost universally accepted passage identifies James as “the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.” The longer Testimonium Flavianum contains later Christian interpolations, yet the majority of scholars—including many who are not believers—judge that its core is authentic: a wise teacher crucified under Pilate whose followers persisted.
Gary Habermas later compiled more than a hundred details about Jesus’ life, death, and reported resurrection that appear in ancient writings outside the New Testament. Pliny the Younger, Lucian, the Talmud, and others add further independent attestation. These are not “mainly of Christians”; they repeatedly circle back to the founder himself.
@Mirthosium@WesJB82@hookskat You are lazy AF there have been volumes published on this. You need to read conjectures and refutations by Karl Popper.
A truth seeker researches both sides. And is able to articulate the opposing arguments.
Your ignorance is showing