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Salafis for years: "Metaphysics, Kalam, and philosophy are all deviant innovations (bid'ah)!" 😡
Also Salafi dawah bros when they're backed into a corner: “Let me just pull this brand new custom metaphysic out of my pocket like a Pokémon card real quick” 😭💀
You literally cannot script this level of comedy. Full expose just went live on @kufrchronicles
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First, saying Ishmael died before Islam existed is a strawman—in Islam, Abraham and Ishmael were Muslims (Quran 2:128) whose descendants remained in Mecca until Muhammad.
Second, you are trapped in circular reasoning: you dismiss the Quran while treating your Bible's geography as a documented fact, even though secular critical history has zero archaeological proof for Abraham or Ishmael anywhere in the Bible either. Apply your own standard to yourself.
Even worse, critical scholarship rejects your claim that Paran is in the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula (a 4th century CE church invention):
1. Deuteronomy 1:1 and 33:2 separate Paran from Sinai and place it east of the Arabah in Arabia.
2. 8th century BCE Assyrian inscriptions document Ishmael's sons Kedar and Nebaioth ruling Arabia, not Sinai.
3. Diodorus Siculus (1st century BCE) and pre-Islamic Jahiliyyah poetry attest to the sacred Meccan sanctuary of Abraham and Ishmael centuries before the Quran.
Can you prove your Sinai claim through critical history without using the Bible?
Saying Ishmael died before Islam existed is a category error—Abraham and Ishmael were Muslims (Quran 2:128), and the question is ancient Arabian geography.
As for evidence outside the Quran, try reading basic Near Eastern history:
1. Your own Bible puts Ishmael in Paran (Genesis 21:21) and his sons Kedar, Nebaioth, and Tema in Arabia (Genesis 25:13 to 18; Isaiah 42:11).
2. 8th century BCE Assyrian inscriptions (Sennacherib and Ashurbanipal) record Ishmael's son Kedar ruling Arabia.
3. Diodorus Siculus (1st century BCE) documents the ancient Meccan sanctuary centuries before Muhammad, alongside pre-Islamic Jahiliyyah poetry (Mu'allaqat) attesting to Abraham and Ishmael building the Kaaba.
Do actual research before lecturing others.
Great question, Lauren. In classical Islamic epistemology and Sadrian philosophy, we do not guess arbitrarily; we apply a strict two-tier criterion to separate preserved revelation from human redaction:
1. External Ontological & Scriptural Criterion (Al-Furqan): Truth (haqiqah) is anchored in an uncorrupted epistemic standard. Whatever aligns with the preserved revelation of the Quran and verified historical reality (wujud) is confirmed as an authentic remnant of earlier scripture; whatever contradicts pure monotheism or contains demonstrable internal contradictions is rejected as human redaction (tahrif).
2. Internal Textual-Critical Criterion (Criterion of Embarrassment & Dissimilarity): Even by secular academic standards, passages that directly contradict the theological agenda of later scribes are the least likely to be fabricated. Post-exilic Israelite and later Christian redactors had zero motive to invent prophecies pointing to an Arabian gentile prophet from Paran/Kedar (Deuteronomy 18:18, Isaiah 42:1 to 11, Deuteronomy 33:2) or an unlettered prophet (Isaiah 29:12), which is why those passages survived as unedited remnants despite editorial attempts to obscure them.
Now let me turn your exact question back to you: given that your own manuscripts contain thousands of variants, scribal additions (like Mark 16:9 to 20 and 1 John 5:7), and editorial seams like Genesis 21, what objective, non-circular criterion do you use to prove that your Old Testament messianic proof-texts for Jesus were not corrupted or redacted?
Apologies for the late reply bro, been busy all day.
Honestly, you just destroyed your own Salafi aqeedah with that argument. Nobody said a statement is false because of who said it. The point is that under the strict Salafi manhaj Leafy preaches, taking your religious and philosophical methodology from Akbarian Sufis and Perennialists like Joseph Lumbard is strictly forbidden, which is why Leafy himself warned viewers in Part 4 that who you take knowledge from puts your afterlife on the line.
Calling that a genetic fallacy means you are calling your own Salafi scholars intellectually restrictive.
Also, when someone goes into the public space attacking people and throwing takfir around, getting called out for double standards comes with the territory. I am dropping another video later today, feel free to engage with it if you want, and if not, I am completely fine with the audience I have and growing organically.
When you're the self-proclaimed Dawah debate king on YouTube, but your entire academic script is literally copy-pasted from the exact Sufi scholars you call heretics 🤡#dawah#salafi#sufi#islam#academia
The irony is astronomical. Receipts inside: https://t.co/yR3zVB1AS2
Nothing says master of debates and polemics like losing your temper, swearing, and spamming clown emojis because you still cannot explain why a Salafi read Seyyed Hossein Nasr's student off a PDF for 4 hours 😂
Everyone watching this thread is wondering how one 60 second clip broke your entire brain. Take a deep breath bro, you are embarrassing yourself 💀 and wait dor the next one i drop later tonight its better than the first 🤣
Says nobody has time while taking time out of his day to jump into a thread he was not even tagged in 💀
For anyone reading this thread, watch how the classic low IQ Salafi dawah bro playbook works when they get caught red handed: first they cry in all caps, then they claim they did not read it, and then they jump in pretending you are irrelevant or beneath them so they never have to answer a single question.
You guys are not fooling anybody, you are frauds hiding behind deflections because not one person in your entire fanbase can explain why he read a Perennialist Sufi word for word for 4 hours.
Appreciate you actually asking a genuine question instead of just throwing insults bro. On the surface it looks like the same thing, so let me explain why it is completely different in simple terms.
First, quoting an atheist or a non-Muslim on a plain historical fact is normal. Nobody adopts their religion by citing a manuscript date. What Leafy did was read a Perennialist Sufi metaphysician's entire philosophical framework word for word for 4 hours because he has no philosophical answers of his own.
Second, in the strict Salafi manhaj Leafy promotes, taking religious framing from Akbarian Sufis (students of Seyyed Hossein Nasr and co-authors of The Study Quran) is strictly condemned as dangerous deviance. He literally tells his viewers in Part 4 that their afterlife is on the line based on who they take knowledge from, yet he hides behind those exact scholars the moment he gets pressed.
Finally, from both an Islamic and basic academic ethics standpoint, reading someone else's work verbatim while hiding their beliefs from your audience and putting your notes behind a Discord paywall is pure dishonesty. Preaching strict rules to others that you break yourself whenever it is convenient is why people are calling out the hypocrisy.
Better to stay quiet and let people wonder if you are a moron than keep replying and remove all doubt 😂 you are doing a great job proving the saying right.
Imagine watching a video where a guy is caught red handed reading a Perennialist Sufi word for word after calling their aqeedah deviance, and your tiny brain still cannot process what the argument is. You are not exposing anyone bro, you are just advertising your own reading comprehension problem in public 💀
@misbah_bangee@Leafywashere00 Translation: I read every single word, realized I had zero rebuttal, and panicked so hard I had to pretend I cannot read 😂 take the L gracefully bro
Bro really said high tier arguments when his boy spent 4 videos reading a Sufi metaphysician's paper off the screen word for word and put it behind a Discord paywall 😂
Low tier is watching his fans hyperventilate in my comments, compare Seyyed Hossein Nasr's student to Imam Nawawi, and beg the spam filter to hide the video because none of you can touch the actual point.
Do you ever get tired of letting the spam folder fight your battles, or are you actually going to explain the hypocrisy?
@AwakenedGoiz Haha fair play, that’s your opinion and I respect it. Tell me why I’m lost though what part wasn’t true? Would love the feed back so I can make better videos next time 😆