@frxnkmarco It’s not worth continuing because no shade but I just don’t believe you. or we’re just not talking about the same scale of production with a comparable workload. Either way im realizing I don’t actually wanna go back and forth on this, my b
@davidodonnell99@lukeguidici@JosephKahn I think it’s fair to say that you’re predisposed to give pros the benefit of the doubt and i may be projecting based on the worst experiences of myself & my crew. Either the crux is that low rates happen but the oft-accompanying exploitation shouldn’t be normalized
@davidodonnell99@lukeguidici@JosephKahn Production leaving their mess for her to clean up on top of her art location wrap without even thinking to leave her water is beyond “not ideal,” it’s insulting, especially to someone who is already underpaid/understaffed/overworked
@davidodonnell99@lukeguidici@JosephKahn What you describe as “weird hours” was in reality a full day of manual labor with no help before driving a truck and working an overnight shoot on likely little to no sleep. Nothing about that sounds safe
@davidodonnell99@lukeguidici@JosephKahn She says here she wishes she had flipped it and never claims she was abused but describes working conditions that are unsafe & unacceptable (having her shop & load a location alone before an overnight) and degrading (leaving her to clean up after production with no water)
@davidodonnell99@lukeguidici@JosephKahn she wanted to start a convo on how to more ethically & equitably structure pay for low budget indies but also on why labor exploitation has been so normalized on these sets, and the convo has shifted entirely to be about her being “entitled” or unions killing indie filmmaking
@davidodonnell99@lukeguidici@JosephKahn As someone who works art dept on primarily non-union & low budget projects, everyone in art is used to asked to do 5 peoples jobs on a shoestring budget and tight schedule, but what she described is deeply fucked and most people I know would’ve walked
Talking about how “agreeing to a rate” and then flipping an indie is an anti-art act of evil. if you push your 90lb art director to load & drive trucks on no sleep & clean up after production without water YOU are the evil anti-art one and yeah your shit should get shut down!
this entire discourse is all downstream of the Obsession art director post but no ones acknowledging that regardless of her rate, the conditions she described she was expected to work under were not safe or reasonable
You're paying the crew what they demanded through a vote- better pay and benefits and you got to make your movie.
You're on Twitter complaining about your fucking crew. Get a grip.
@davidodonnell99@lukeguidici@JosephKahn “the producers hold up their end of the bargain for working conditions” is a giant IF here. micro budget indies are notorious for abusing their art departments. by the Obsession art directors account, this was absolutely the case and it deserved to get flipped
@lukeguidici It doesn’t actually matter if the person exploiting you is an indie filmmaker with a dream instead of a network/studio when your safety & dignity are being disregarded
@lukeguidici The departments that are pushed to work 16hr days on set doing physical labor & driving trucks on an 8hr turnaround can tell you that union flips should be for any and all projects where people are asked to work in unsafe conditions for poverty wages