@KBomb_285@Jaguar081561120@WestConservativ@ryangrim Proven? By what? Shoehorned misrepresentations? Hah, no. You recognise the absurdity of having a fully duplicated city-wide (or greater) road network, so you cherry-pick about closed private roads or toll roads cause you know you're wrong
@KBomb_285@Jaguar081561120@WestConservativ@ryangrim You fundamentally misunderstand what you're advocating for, your "counter examples" demonstrate this. Gated communities aren't duplicate road networks, neither are toll roads.
You're wrong about duplicating infrastructure, and you're wrong about capitalism
@KBomb_285@Jaguar081561120@WestConservativ@ryangrim Yeah, no. You're advocating for every property to have a connection to multiple road networks that operate separately but in parallel, not individual stretches of private road connecting 2 points. That's the duplication of utilities you're calling for to "drive competition"
@KBomb_285@Jaguar081561120@WestConservativ@ryangrim Are these private roads duplicating/in parallel with public roads? Clearly not, which is the point you're missing
"Backing" does a lot of lifting when they were found to be 'lobbying high levels of government' *coughbribingcough*. It's almost like capitalism concentrates wealth
@KBomb_285@Jaguar081561120@WestConservativ@ryangrim Duplication of infrastructure doesn't decrease costs. By your argument, there should be private road networks within cities to reduce road maintenance costs. I trust you see the absurdity now
The railway barrons. Literally created private local monopolies that crashed economies
@KBomb_285@Jaguar081561120@WestConservativ@ryangrim Much easier said than done. Space is limited, especially in compact cities. Hence infrastructure not being needlessly duplicated, it's inefficient, costly, and potentially dangerous.
Monopolies exit under capitalist policy. Without regulations, they have crashed the economy
@KBomb_285@Jaguar081561120@WestConservativ@ryangrim Operated for profit is capitalistic.
For good reason, how could a city manage 2+ sets of parallel poles & wires, or underground cables or pipes, with safe clearances for each to access their assets without drastically reducing clear use and access by residents?
@KBomb_285@Jaguar081561120@WestConservativ@ryangrim The electricity grid (the infrastructure) is privately owned and operated, for profit (capitalism).
The cost burden of duplicate infrastructure alone prevents overlapping utility networks, even if it wasn't a hazard to the residents.
We learned from COVID 19 that oil is worthless in a society without consumption, healthcare has to be public because health is public, 50% of jobs can be done from home while the other 50% deserve more than they're being paid, and that we live in a society, not an economy.
@purplepingers Given the state of the Overton window of Australian politics, I'd say they definitely qualify as left. Do capitalists call for nationalisation often?
I'd agree it's fine to call out hypocrisy, but wasting time & energy on something inconsequential gives similar energy as Labor
@purplepingers I get that, really do. But giving it more air just keeps it going, it doesn't give a good impression of Aus left parties being able to work together or even respect each other. I'm just reminded of the old "simple sabotage" guidelines from the 40's, and find that concerning
@myonlinetrust Given the premise explicitly states you get one vote, you don't help blue. Pressing it afterwards is performative, even if you're just do it for yourself
@myonlinetrust You're the only one who has said "X wins the vote". In most votes that means "X gets more than 50% of votes".
The conditions on the buttons state what happens if more than 50% of people vote for that button.
At this point it's obvious you didn't read or understand the scenario
@myonlinetrust Except you don't. The wording states you get a vote, not two. You never demonstrated otherwise, though you did just demonstrate not understanding the scenario. It's at best performative to push the blue button 2nd.
I think we're done here
@myonlinetrust Votes are cast by pressing the button... As stated in the original scenario. Are you sure you actually read and understood what was put forward?