to the extend that truth exists (that is, that observations can be made that cannot be contradicted), every observation one internalizes serves a purpose, and is discarded when it fails to do so, this is one's first empiricism
i replied to try to do this and hit a different snag
can anyone pill me on terminal values existing? it appears to me that all belief lives in "means", not "ends"
@eurydicelives "terminal value as an instrument" is maybe shady as a construct, but i think of it more as leaf nodes. social satisfaction and truth are both leaf nodes on a group philosophy, they affect each other but do not precisely depend on each other
@eurydicelives we see this in their relationship with records: truth precedes narrative precedes lived experience when it comes to what to keep; only when it comes to how to recruit does narrative take the reigns
do the advanced meditators in the house not see someone cute dancing and think "it'd be fun, if they were into it, to tie that person up, lick their genitals, and do cocaine off their ass"?
@forthrighter oh man this fits so well, when 'base' impulses strike, there is a very different vibe to "that would feel good and hurt no one" and "that would feel good and hurt someone"; the latter tastes like tar
@crash23001 'people not wanting to do evil' is 'a good outcome' for sure
the part i'm less sure of is that there is any moral valence to "doing what you naturally do" when "what you naturally do" never suggests 'evil'
like my understanding of goodness is not that i don't want to stab someone for cutting me off when i'm bicycling, but, that i never would
that not-wanting to would erase goodness because there'd be no alternative
is there a point in moral advancement where the temptation to start a cult, form a harem, take over a small town, and begin manufacturing psychedelics just...stops happening?
or is part of moral advancement saying "eh, not today" until i die?
@meaning_enjoyer huh; reading this from childlike christian POV, it sure is a good thing no one is good but god so we all get to partake in the meaning bonanza that is becoming good
and from the also childlike gnoninan POV, lucky that 'good' happens to be 'as we are'
@nosilverv the gay mafia part of each is like 10 gays participating in exactly what their (straight) venture puppeteers want, but making it a bit more fabulous (and occasionally, a bit more degen)
behold the portia spiders: for they have 10,000 neurons, yet they always choose the best route for ambushing prey, even if a detour takes over an hour and they lose line of sight with their target. are ye not much better than they?
@prodigygrimes @vividvoid sorry, that was a thought fragment, i was trying to describe the part of my experience that feels similar, in that both seeing gender as empty and playing the masc role require double speak in very liberal spaces, and they entwine
@prodigygrimes @vividvoid i have so many questions about your reception post political shift, but they're not for here or now. i might dm sometime if that's cool tho
@prodigygrimes @vividvoid jesus you're full of forbidden topics, huh. having shifted from 'basically a transwoman' to 'i do what i want with my body, i don't care about words anymore' that is a deeply entwined doublespeak game