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@Kintsugijin That's how you know you're ready lol

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@ByuSome RB: JJ Di Luigi
QB: Bret Engemann
WR: Margin Hooks

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@WendyBergmed @TheBabylonBee Sounds like you just have a terrible family, I’m sorry.

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@korlando2251 @JeffBiesinger @alisha_ann94 That makes sense, but those people are not confessing to their bishop if they know they will be reported. That is the crux of the whole argument.

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I love that athletes are no longer afraid to speak up and share their faith. What an amazing force for good they can be!

[TreVeyon Henderson @TreVeyonH4]

I’ve heard the saying that “God gives his toughest battles to his toughest soldiers.” But when I see the disciples that Jesus chose and suffered for His name sake, I don’t see Him choosing the “toughest soldiers”, as I learn about men and women in the past and even today who have laid down their lives for Jesus, once again I don’t see God choosing His “toughest soldiers.” But I see a strong and mighty God choosing weak men and woman, and empowering them by His Holy Spirit to face some of the toughest battles and be used for His glory.

I once thought I was a “tough soldier” until I met Jesus, I then realized that I’m so weak without Him, and apart from Jesus I can’t do anything. I need Jesus daily. The only way that I can truly become who God wants me to be and truly do what God wants me to do, is not by my power not by my might, but only by The Spirit of The Living God. Thank you Jesus.

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@UncleMaui @JeffBiesinger I understand, and that's ok. But I'm not even talking from a religious perspective. I'm trying to address it logically. If I'm an abuser and I know my bishop is going to turn me into the police, I am not telling my bishop a thing. Is that better or worse for the victim?

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@korlando2251 @alisha_ann94 @JeffBiesinger I agree with you here, but that doesn't mean the bishop can't help in other ways. And in many situations, the bishop would advise the individual to get professional help and give them references.

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@korlando2251 @alisha_ann94 @JeffBiesinger If they don't want to change, they likely wouldn't be confessing either way, and this discussion wouldn't apply to those individuals.

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@Latterdaytruth I love football. I made a commitment a long time ago not to watch sports on the Sabbath. That has been really challenging at times, but I know that it would take over the day otherwise.

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@UncleMaui @JeffBiesinger Please read through Jeff's entire thread. I believe the answers to your concerns are there. The Church cares about victims, and this is what they believe is in the best interest of the victims. They would not support it otherwise.

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@JeffBiesinger @UncleMaui I don't think it completely ignores the victim, though. Having another person outside of the home knowing about the abuse can only be a positive for the victim, in my opinion, even if it doesn't directly put a stop to the problem.

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@JeffBiesinger @UncleMaui Yes, I think that's really what it comes down to. The fact that the Church is so strongly behind this path tells me they have put a lot of resources into finding out the answer and they believe they are on the side that leads to the most positive outcomes.

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That would not be the case otherwise. I do agree with you, though, Jeff, that being put in that situation as a bishop would be almost unbearable.

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@JeffBiesinger @mammothfan I've thought about this a lot over the years and come to the same conclusion as Jon. These protections lead to someone outside of the abuser's home (bishop) at least knowing about the abuse and being in a position to help both the victim and the abuser.

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@alisha_ann94 @JeffBiesinger If you are abusing your child, and you know that your bishop will call the police if you confess, would you still confess to him and seek help?

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@UncleMaui @JeffBiesinger Do you agree that if there were no protection for confession, abusers would rarely or never confess?

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@AdamO_Bettahs @NANeedleninja @UncleMaui @JeffBiesinger Just read through Jeff's thread. They've been mentioned over and over. If confession isn't protected, then the abuser will not confess and seek help. The abuse then continues on.

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@jimmychitwoud @edgaralandough Hmm, I wonder where they get it from 😂

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