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greetings!! I'm Rora! A vampire who ran away and joined the circus 🦇🎪 I'm a Vtuber who loves to play an assortment of dark cozy games. I'm part of the VFright group and I also do art!
@chiseledcactus I don't get it. This algorithm was very much a new feature that just came out. For the longest time, Vgen only had the Random and Latest feed. If you're so worried about missing out on smaller unknown artists, why don't just go peruse those feeds instead?
@vampupper oh yeah I've been using a lot of these recently! has helped a ton with drawing more interesting arm and hand poses! I use the search "luxury fashion doll parts"
The rig discourse is super interesting and definitely a conversation that needs to be had in the VTuber industry. I genuinely feel like serious considerations need to be made on both sides of the aisle.
As an artist, I totally understand wanting to protect your work / techniques / trade secrets from bad actors who may try to steal or take credit for it…
but at the same time you shouldn’t let an extreme what-if scenario stop you from giving your clients peace of mind over arguably their MOST IMPORTANT BRAND ASSET.
In OP’s case, they legit can’t get in contact with the rig artist anymore, so they’re screwed and have to start from scratch if they wanted to add even one small update.
In my case, I’m my own model artist, and can make as many updates and outfits as I want… but if something were to happen to my rig artist I’d ABSOLUTELY be fucked. I’d have to start back over from 0% again…and I dont know if y’all knew this but starting over ain’t cheap.
If I had the rig file on hand, I would have the ability to add new things and still preserve the original base from my rig mama in the event I can’t work with her anymore.
“But if you buy a game that doesn’t mean you OWN the source code!”
Sure, but you should at the very least be able to backup or modify your save file in case something happens😅
To further bring in the game analogy, if we didn’t have the source code for some games, then some of the best romhacks (aka add-ons) would never have happened.. imo multiple artists adding onto a work is really freaking cool but that’s just me I guess¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Going back to original subject, I feel like some level of mutual trust needs to happen here?
Model artists by default have to trust the client / rigger not to make a template or steal from the art PSD, —which even merged / flattened does still give a look into our process. So why don’t rig artists give that same level of trust to the client?
Most layman clients won’t be able to do anything with it anyway, but it gives them insurance to add onto their model in the event they can’t work with the original rigger for one reason or another (e.g artist is unavailable, client getting priced out, artist ceasing to rig more models, artist goes AWOL / passes way, etc)
If it’s a matter of a lack of trust, revise your contracts to protect your work and make clear guidelines and prohibitions on redistribution / copying / modification. And perhaps encourage your clients to notify you / advise you who they send the rig file to for your own record keeping.
If that’s STILL not enough and you don’t trust the client after all that… then maybe don’t work with them, hello??? 😀
happy pride month
especially to all those who can't freely be
we live in countries where we can freely show our sexuality and parade, that's might seem so little for us but it's a privilege and dream for many, so advocate for those who can't, raise ur voice for who can't speak
my favorite centimommy @ashencoil is starting her own group and i am so happy for her.
(i am also very sad for me specifically but we don't need to talk about that.)
go be great. we'll be here. probably lurking. definitely supportive. absolutely not crying buckets 🫀🫀🥹
Hello everyone, from now on @ashencoil won't be a part of VFright anymore. There is absolutely no bad blood between us, and we wish Ashen the best going forward!
Please continue to support her in her spooky endeavours, just like we will keep doing! 🫀
THIS!!
I give my cmo3 to my clients, but that is a *very personal decision* that I myself came to.
If you are getting a rig and want the cmo3 file, ask about it at the beginning of the process. Some people charge for it, some refuse to give it and some people give it free of charge, you don’t get to tell them to change, you only get to decide if you want to hire them.
@kzzrttt it's kind of a risk of not wanting your artwork getting associated with an account you don't know. like what if they're racist or a ragebait account? most of the time it's fine but it's understandable if some artists don't want that yk
With the discourse on rig files, to my clients in particular that might be worried, this is how I handle it.
Per my TOS, I will NOT provide the CMO3 file.
That being said, if you need an upgrade/add-on that I am unavailable for, I have a list of rig friends that I trust to not abuse my files and provide good work of similar quality that I will provide you and connect you with. However, they are not allowed to then provide the file to another rigger. If another one is needed again, it will need to be another discussion with me involved. I do not wish for my work to be Frankenstein'd.
In the case that I stop rigging forever and leave, I will make an announcement and you can contact me to discuss acquiring your model file then. But while I'm still going and kicking, I will not be providing my files.