@TheJeffPutnam So we just gonna ignore the severity of postpartum mental illness? I donβt condone what she did whatsoever but regardless of the psychosis or lack there of, she was still struggling mentally.
I've been following the #LindseyClancy trial and have really struggled with her mental health condition and how women's health doesn't get the attention that it deserves. But every day that I watch the trial, I keep coming back to a couple of points: access and autonomy.
You can give someone access to every psychiatrist, therapist, program, medication, and support system available, but you cannot force a voluntary patient to participate honestly and consistently in her own treatment.
That is the part of the Lindsay Clancy discussion that keeps getting lost.
People keep saying that she was βscreaming for help,β as though nobody heard her or tried to help her. But Lindsay had access to psychiatrists, psychiatric nurse practitioners, therapists, counselors, group therapy, outpatient programs, inpatient treatment, and medication management. She also had a supportive husband, involved parents and in-laws, childcare help, and the financial means to stop working and focus on getting better.
The help was not merely available. She was actively surrounded by it.
But treatment requires some degree of participation from the patient. Providers depend on patients to describe their symptoms honestly, take medication as prescribed, attend appointments, engage with therapy, follow treatment recommendations, and communicate when their condition changes. If a patient minimizes symptoms, withholds information, resists recommendations, stops medication, or simply refuses to engage, what exactly is the provider supposed to do unless the legal threshold for involuntary treatment has been met?
We cannot simultaneously insist that psychiatric patients retain autonomy over their bodies and treatment decisions, then blame providers for failing to override that autonomy when something terrible happens.
There are fair questions to ask about whether every provider made the right decision based on the information available to them. But that is very different from claiming Lindsay was abandoned by a mental-health system that refused to help her. Millions of Americans cannot find a psychiatrist, cannot afford therapy, cannot enter an inpatient program, and cannot take months away from work. Lindsay had access to all of those things.
People who are struggling absolutely deserve access, compassion, treatment, and support. Lindsay had all four. What no mental-health system can guarantee is that a voluntary patient will fully engage with that help or that treatment will prevent every terrible outcome.
You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. At some point, patient autonomy also means patient agency, and we cannot erase that agency only after tragedy strikes.
@InevitableOwl MEN, who cannot and will not suffer from PPD/PPA/PPP like women.... make it make sense. interesting how they find it so easy to comment and judge based on things they have no experience with and cannot have experience with.
@AmiriKing your "postpartum is an excuse for women who regret becoming a mom" claim is actually crazy. PPD, PPA and PPP are all real diagnosable and treatable conditions. Is it excusable for individuals who suffer to k*ll their kids? absolutely not, but mental health concerns are real.
@Jonatha85127147 she was very obviously mentally ill. no mentally well person kills another. i struggle to see where the insanity/psychosis piece is present. i'm really torn on the case as a whole and am be interested to see what the defense brings as witness to the stand
been neck deep in the #lindsayclancy case and haven't posted about it a single time on here... reddit has me sucked in. algo bring me to the lindsay clancy side of X