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Messi v Ronaldo: With Bias, You Will Always Find the Narrative You Are Looking For
With bias, you will always find the narrative you are looking for. Nowhere is this truer than in football, and nowhere in football is it more visible than in the GOAT debate. The conversation is inherently subjective.
There is no universal scorecard. And because there is no universal scorecard, bias fills the gap, and people argue across decades, across continents, across generations, and never quite arrive anywhere.
Please just stay with me. You will see my what I am driving at if you do. I assure you.
Before Messi and Ronaldo consumed the debate entirely, there were two names that occupied that space. Pelé and Maradona. So dominant was their standing that FIFA conducted two separate polls in the year 2000 to determine the Player of the Century.
Maradona won the public internet vote with 53.6%. Pelé won the expert panel, composed of journalists, coaches, and officials, with 72.75%. FIFA, diplomatically, named them joint winners. Based on the foregoing, he debate was officially sanctioned as unresolvable.
But here is what makes that remarkable. Look at the era Maradona actually played in.
Michel Platini for example won three consecutive Ballon d'Ors between 1983 and 1985, a feat that had never been achieved before and has only been surpassed once since.
He scored nine goals at a single European Championship, a record that still stands more than forty years later. He won the Serie A title, the European Cup, and a European Championship with France, all while being the best player in the world for three straight years.
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge won back-to-back Ballon d'Ors in 1980 and 1981, reached consecutive World Cup finals, and was widely regarded as one of the most complete strikers the sport had produced.
Marco Van Basten won three Ballon d'Ors, led the Netherlands to the 1988 European Championship with one of the most technically perfect volleys ever struck, and was so far ahead of his time that multiple coaches called him the greatest they had ever worked with.
Lothar Matthäus, whom Maradona himself named as his greatest rival, won the 1990 World Cup and the Ballon d'Or in the same year, with 150 international appearances that remain the German record to this day.
So on paper, the 1980s was overflowing with players who matched or exceeded Maradona by almost every formal measure available.
Platini had more Ballon d'Ors. Van Basten had comparable individual awards and a Champions League.
Rummenigge had consecutive golden balls and World Cup final appearances. The likes of ROmario and Gerd Muller(of dufferent generations of course even had more goals tha he did).
And Maradona, remember, never won a conventional Ballon d'Or at all, because the award excluded South Americans throughout his entire peak.
And yet none of them are in the conversation the way Maradona is. Not even close.
Because in 1986, Maradona did something that no trophy, no award, and no statistical record has ever been able to replicate or contain. He carried a nation of forty million people to a World Cup on his back.
He scored the Hand of God and then, four minutes later in the same match, the Goal of the Century against England and at a World Cup quarter-final.
Yet the hand of God wasn't a taint on his legacy or his stake to the claim of being GOAT. The weight of that moment, and what people felt when they watched it, permanently overrode every comparison that statistics could ever produce.
That is the thing about legacy. It does not care about your trophy count, individual awards, or goals. Yes all of these contribute to what one's legacy eventually becomes. But they are not the main thing.
Let us consider something closer to our present. Henry, Ibrahimovic, Benzema, Lewandowski, and Suarez represent one of the most decorated generations of strikers the sport has ever produced.
Between them, only one won the Ballon d'Or. Only one won the World Cup. Does that make either of those individuals definitively greater than the other four? Just think about it.
Modric, Pirlo, Kroos, Iniesta, Busquets, Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard and Xavi form a midfield generation that may never be replicated. Between all of them, only one Ballon d'Ors.
Does that mean the one who won it was undisputably superior to the rest, or does it mean the award simply could not accommodate the scale of that generation?
You may not agree yet. But I think this will drive it home for yous. Dembele. He has a Ballon d'Or and 2 Champions League titles. Mbappe, widely regarded as one of the two or three best players alive today, has neither at club level.
So on paper, in this single snapshot of time, Dembélé outranks Mbappe. You can ask anyone who watches football regularly whether they actually believe that, and watch what happens.
Now let's bring that exact same reasoning forward to the crux of the conversation. Messi has 900+ goals, eight Ballon d'Ors, more than any player in history. He has a World Cup, a Copa America, four Champions League titles, and forty-three major trophies, the most any footballer has ever accumulated.
Ronaldo has 950+ career goals, the highest verified total in football history. He has five Ballon d'Ors, a European Championship, five Champions League titles, and so on.
By the numbers, Messi leads the argument in almost every category. And yet millions of people around the world, right now, would fight you over that conclusion.
Not because the data is wrong, but because Ronaldo made them feel something the data was never designed to measure. He made people believe that wanting something badly enough, working for it hard enough, refusing to accept its absence long enough, could actually get you there. That feeling does not live in a spreadsheet.
Here is what Pelé and Maradona already showed us, and what we are watching unfold again right in front of us. Trophies tell you who won. Legacy tells you who mattered.
And the saddest and most beautiful thing about this debate is that by the time it is finally settled, the two men at the centre of it will be long retired, and the people who watched them will still be arguing.
Not because they cannot see the evidence, but because the evidence never quite captures what they actually witnessed.
That is not a flaw in the debate. That is the whole point of it.
I say this because people are saying now that Ronaldo doesnt deserve to be in the GOAT debate with Messi. Well, I am a Ronaldo truther. And I believe Messi is greater. But from the above, you'll be very dishonest to tell me you don't see how that can be subjective.
Please, with civility, let me know what you think in the comments section.
My name is Ajoje. I am a FIFA Licensed Agent and International Sports Lawyer. I write on the Law and Business of Football, a lot. Repost and Follow if you want to read more posts like this.
Let me be clear about Cristiano.
And I hope it's the last time I make such a declaration.
I am a lover of football first, foremost, and last.
I was never a fan of Ronaldo, nor did I ever really gravitate to his football aesthetically.
When your favorite players are Maradona / Zidane / Rui Costa / Figo etc - players who are collectivist and have a broader vision of the pitch - you just don't gravitate to Ronaldo.
However, I will say this. He is undoubtedly as great a player both in talent and achievement as any that has come before (or with) him. I prefer what Diego proposes with the ball. I don't think Ronaldo could ever replicate Diego's heroics in 86. But I don't think Diego could guarantee the inevitable goal against every opponent in the UCL and lead to a 3peat.
That is to say - Ronaldo is a pillar of our sport. There is no history of football without Ronaldo. Whether you like or dislike his football. Whether you like or dislike his personality. He has always been divisive - some of it is due to his personality and some of it due to an impossible and deepseated hatred in Anglo-media since 2006 that never let up and that we can all see. I have never seen a player travel to every stadium in England - even his own - and get booed for a year. And the scorn that he has had to face never let up - with vultures ready to pounce st the first sign of trouble.
Sport is about the human spirit. Teaching us to persevere against all odds. Consistency, discipline and courage when the going gets tough. THAT is the lesson sport imparts for our children. THAT is why some sportsmen are heroes.
What Ronaldo is doing at 41 is nothing short of an UNPRECEDENTED sporting achievement and act of singular heroism. The sheer amount of work necessary and the willpower to fight against the dying of the light to represent his country. An indomitable spirit. If that isn't enough to stir and inspire you - I don't what can. This is beyond commendable - it is inspiring. He has embarked on an impossible mission - to show us that the human spirit has no limits. Do we tell a an explorer NOT to attempt to travel to the moon? Because it is near impossible and fraught with risk? Or do we applaud and cheer on a man in his bravery? Food for thought.
But beyond that, the recent deluge of vitriol, wanton disrespect, and media pile-on is frankly disgusting and evil. It is evil because you are spitting in the face of a 150 year old tradition and culture that we call football. The culture we call home and brings together billions of people. Cristiano is football. And football is Cristiano. Whether you love, hate or are ambivalent about him. And for that, a modicum of respect as a fan of the game for OUR game is necessary.
To see charlatans and half-achievers and no-names aspire for clicks and media fame and buzz to keep their name going or out of some tragic, personal hate and dislike for a man is saddening. It is saddening because these people do not belong in the culture they desecrate. The culture they weaponize, utilize, and instrumentalize but provide nothing to. Today we reject these people. We won't accept them in our circle anymore.
Forza Cristiano. Against the dying of the light.
🚨Rúben Dias was asked about João Neves’ comments regarding Cristiano Ronaldo and the criticism aimed at Bruno Fernandes after Portugal’s draw against DR Congo:
🎙️ Reporter: “Rúben, what is your opinion on João Neves’ comments about Cristiano Ronaldo and the reaction from some supporters who have been criticizing Bruno Fernandes since the DR Congo match?”
🗣️ Rúben Dias:
“To be honest, I think people are creating a bigger problem than what actually exists.
João Neves is a young player and I know for a fact he has enormous respect for Cristiano Ronaldo. Everybody in this squad does.
Cristiano is not just another player for Portugal. He is our captain, our leader, our all-time top scorer, and one of the greatest players football has ever seen.
At the same time, Bruno Fernandes is one of the most important players in this team. The criticism he is receiving is unfair.
People are acting as if he is playing against Portugal when in reality he is one of the players sacrificing the most to help this team succeed.
What disappoints me is seeing Portuguese fans divided when we should be united.
Cristiano wants Portugal to win.
Bruno wants Portugal to win.
Every player in that dressing room wants Portugal to win.
Nobody is competing against each other.
We are all fighting for the same badge.
Sometimes football decisions are made in a split second. Not every pass can go to Cristiano. Not every attack can go through Bruno.
That is football.
The focus should be on helping Portugal move forward in this World Cup, not attacking our own players.
The strongest Portugal teams I’ve been part of were the ones where everybody stood together.
That is what we need now more than ever.
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Emiliano Martínez: "I want to win it for Messi more than for myself. I’d give my life for him."
Joao Neves: "Ronaldo is no different from anyone else. He's just another player here to help the team
I'm so grateful that Ronaldo won the euros with the generation that he won it with. Those players were not as talented as the current squad, but they played their hearts out on the pitch. These entitled brats of today don't deserve anything.