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@ca_scrimshaw @robilypj @DrSusanOliver1 @NeilRos55889793 People don't have to lie to be mistaken.

But the point isn't whether she lied - the point is the justice system should endeavour to bring defendants to court in fit state to participate & tell the truth effectively.

I don't mean to keep repeating myself so will leave it there.

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@ca_scrimshaw @robilypj @DrSusanOliver1 @NeilRos55889793 2/2 to fail to do so and secure the best possible evidence on all points is disrespectful to any witnesses and victims. Anything risking a miscarriage of justice risks prolonging their pain. Vindictiveness is irrational in this case

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@ca_scrimshaw @robilypj @DrSusanOliver1 @NeilRos55889793 You can't decide before a trial whether the defendant will be lying or telling the truth: only whether you will support them to tell the truth and respond and participate fully. Quite apart from the presumption of innocence 1/2

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@ca_scrimshaw @robilypj @DrSusanOliver1 @NeilRos55889793 I'm sorry for anyone in such circumstances of course. I'd suggest that where the state spends millions on a trial set to last so long, not moving the defender further from the court immediately beforehand would be a humane, money saving measure conducive to seeking justice.

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@ca_scrimshaw @robilypj @DrSusanOliver1 @NeilRos55889793 When you were a nurse, I am sure you attempted to treat all prisoners humanely whatever their character and background. In the same way, anticipating such a long trial, the justice system should have treated LL humanely by avoiding sudden transfer so far from the court.

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@berrysurviving @robilypj That's a rather selective comparison!

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@ca_scrimshaw @robilypj @DrSusanOliver1 @NeilRos55889793 I don't believe that chartering a limousine and moving the prisoner further from the court on the eve of what is expected to be a particularly long trial are the only two options.

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@berrysurviving @robilypj Police organised transport for the parents and prosecution witnesses if they wanted it, aiming to make things as easy as possible for them - covered in their documentary

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@ca_scrimshaw @robilypj @DrSusanOliver1 @NeilRos55889793 You're not a criminal until you are convicted. It's in nobody's interest to have any witness to a court case exhausted and uncomfortable if they want to be able to rely on their testimony.

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@jackieb12902590 Lots of other paper was hoarded (or stored). The police commented on this in their Hummingbird documentary - that they weren't expecting to have thousands of papers and digital records to go through

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@DebbieKennett Very good question

Longest trial in history vibes, there. How can they be wrong when they have so carefully filtered the data?

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@NickBarberX @letbymoj @AlexCutter86 McGuigan's testimony specifies that datixes and debriefs were used to document and investigate unexpected collapses at Crewe. We know that this was not the case at Chester. So we really can't glean much from the comparison, even before considering conditions in each hospital

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@Dogbox19 @AlekseyPotemkin @mervynpervyn @Hermelientje2 @DavidKn56173324 @ClarkeMicah He frequently says that. It's a red herring. Most cases he was given were from consultants trying to pique police interest in Letby. Then they dropped any findings where she wasn't on duty. So why would it matter that they didn't give her name early on? Irrelevant.

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@Dogbox19 @Hermelientje2 @DavidKn56173324 @ClarkeMicah Evans was given cases selected by the consultants, who were not working blind.

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@SkallaPhil84600 Because the police told her that, withholding the testimony of the other nurses. *Accepted that" is doing a lot of lifting there. It was the same with Baby K. LL accepted the testimony of other staff as related to her by police where she couldn't remember detail herself.

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@AlekseyPotemkin @DarrenVoxbox @doctorcaldwell There's no "it" they wrote down three times either - nothing strikingly similar in the descriptions

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@DarrenVoxbox @AlekseyPotemkin @doctorcaldwell They weren't terribly experienced teams though, were they? About 3 deaths a year until they took on more acute cases in 2015, 7 pediatricians taking equal shares on the NICU so nobody building the specialism. They won't have seen that many infants in extremis from any cause.

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@SkallaPhil84600 Sure. But testimony from Nurse W and Mel Taylor (eventually), contradicted Ellis's account of events that night. Fairly shaky, as I said.

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@SkallaPhil84600 Testimony putting her cotside at the right times for babies C, D, G, K, M for example, is pretty thin. For babies F and L it's non existent. But the cases were submitted by consultants accusing her, so it was usually possible to construct the necessary narrative

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@fuelmeupcc @spikedonline Not quite. Hawdon looked at clinical notes & was left with 5 unexplained cases. She then received the pathologists' reports & was satisfied with 1. She recommended pathologist review the other 4. In the end, this left 1 with cause of death unascertained, an occasional finding