@rallenac@COSProject Your points are valid. This is a marathon and not a sprint.
At the very least, calling a Convention of States will put Congress on notice. Letting them know that we, the people, are paying attention. 😉
Oh, that's special. I actually grew up Catholic and don't see the connection.
So, what is your holier than thou take on salvation? Scripture only, please.
If we are indeed a cult, then so was the church in the first century.
We follow the pattern put into place by the apostles. We are non-denominational.
How about you? Which man or tradition do YOU follow?
Did you get that from Wikipedia? 🤣
You obviously have not studied the writings of Stone or Campbell.
This was a restoration movement for God's church here in the US. The church has been in existence since the first century.
Each congregation is autonomous, just as they were from the beginning.
As to Acts 2:38, are you saying Peter was mistaken?
We teach the Gospel directly from the Bible. And, yes, Scripture commands salvation by baptism by immersion.
After first hearing, believing, confessing, and repenting.
Can you refute that with Scripture?
@Ritualist_06 Our congregations are non-denominational and follow the pattern of the first century church.
The one Jesus established at Pentecost.
There is no "Catholic Church" in the NT. Sorry for your confusion.
@ransommaggard Correct. I would add that Jesus gave a direct command in, “do not worry”. It is a sinful sign of unbelief and ignoring that all things are possible with God.
We are only 14 states away from forcing Congress to call a convention. Twenty states have already taken a stand. New Hampshire could be the first in the Northeast to join them.
But this will not happen from the sidelines.
We do not need more spectators. We need people willing to step forward. People willing to talk to neighbors. To meet with legislators. To help organize and lead.
That is where you come in.
You have already signed the petition, you have already taken the first step. Now it is time to turn that support into action.
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Your weak arguments speak for themselves. You have not provided any scriptures to back your false claims. Therefore, your argument fails.
There is no pretense in my argument. Among other aspects, the Bible is a narrative. Part of that narrative is the use of synechdoche. That is fact, not opinion.
You literally deny the words of Jesus in Mk 16:16. They are plain and clear. Your disagreement is with God, not me.
I do hope and pray you will repent before it is everlasting too late.
Have you ever heard of the literary device called “synechdoche”? Many professing Christians have not. Therefore, they tend to cherry pick passages out of context to fit their worldview.
The word basically means that the whole equals the sum of the parts.
When Paul says “faith” in Rom 10:17, he is using synechdoche. One purpose of the device is to not be overly repetitive.
In vs. 10, he had just mentioned confession as a requirement for salvation. This alone refutes “faith only”.
Peter used the word “repent” in Acts 2:38. One cannot repent without first having faith. This again refutes faith only.
Jesus said “believe” in Mk 16:16. Did he leave out the rest? No, He used synechdoche.
The conjunction “and” is used in both the Acts and Mark passages. Baptism is a requirement in both.
Your belief creates contradictions and the Bible does not contradict itself. It harmonizes. The Bible is the inerrant Word of God.
“Faith only” and “once saved, always saved” both contradict the requirements. Only one of the beliefs can be correct. The Bible confirms hearing, believing, confessing and repenting, then baptism.
Anything else is teaching in error. It is that simple.
Big discussion where? Baptism is not a “notion”. It is required for salvation.
You have yet to provide any scriptures to back your claim. Here is a simple Bible study, using only Bible passages. Irrefutable.
Why not just humbly obey God and the Gospel?
Hear, believe, confess, repent, followed by baptism by immersion. Then, and only then, are sins forgiven & the gift of the Holy Spirit received.
Rom 10:10,17
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
Acts 2:38
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
Mark 16:16, the words of Jesus.
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
John 3:3-5, again the words of Jesus.
3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
Example: Philip & the Ethiopian eunuch, Acts 8:26-40
Here, you are putting words in my mouth. Most Orthodox Jews today are still waiting for the Messiah. Therefore, they are clearly not saved.
The NT teaches that everyone is equal and has the same opportunity for salvation, whether Jew or Gentiles. Gal 3:28.
Do you deny that?
Jews were saved in the first century. At Pentecost in Act 2, the Bible says over 3,000 souls were added to the church by God.
Are you saying none of them were Jews?
The bottom line is anyone who first hears the Word, believes it (faith), confesses Jesus as the Son of God, repents and is baptized will be saved. That is indisputable.
By God’s grace, I am able to back that up with Scripture. Can you back your claim with the Bible? If so, please do.
Again, lots to unpack here. First, you have yet to use one scripture passage to defend your position. All you post are traditional talking points.
Please show the passage where it says that Jesus baptized with fire. There is none. In fact, the term “baptism by fire” is not what you think. It is the same fire that burns the chaff and leads to everlasting torment. See Matt 3:12.
In Acts 2, Jesus baptized the apostles and they received the miraculous gift of the Holy Spirit. In the first century, baptism was ALWAYS by immersion in water.
Secular history confirms that if you care to look into it. In Ephesians 4:5, Paul refers to “one Lord, one faith, one baptism;”. This alone refutes your claim of faith only.
The one baptism is immersion in water. Paul further confirms this in Rom 6:3-4, “Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Another refutation of faith only. Paul did not contradict himself. Yes, baptism is a work, that is a work of God. We are saved by the blood of Jesus that he shed on the cross.
In the Romans passage above, Paul explains that we die as Christ did by being baptized. He shed His blood so we don’t have to. The water used is a symbol. God does the work.
What is of the devil is the faith only doctrine and, worse, is “once saved, always saved”. Acts 2:38 could not be more clear, “Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
Peter clearly states that sins are not forgiven and the gift of the Holy Spirit is not given without baptism.
These proof passages are indisputable. Again, all you have are heretical teachings that you apparently blindly follow.
If you can refute these passages with Scripture, please do. Otherwise, consider humbling yourself to actually obey God’s plan of salvation.
Sure it answers the question. The Bible nowhere gives requirements for the person doing the baptizing.
Logically, the person would be a Christian following the command of Jesus in Matt 28:18-20.
What matters is the individual answering the Gospel call.
Are you saying Jews cannot be saved? Again, what do you believe the Bible says are the requirements for salvation?
Lots to unpack here. I gave you a proof verse indicating that Christians can fall away. There are others if you are open to them.
You seem to have already made up your mind. The Bible disagrees with your conclusion. In this discussion, you have not indicated what the Bible says is required for salvation. Please do so.
First, regarding the concept of restoration after falling away. What does “repentance” mean? Literally, it means to turn away from sin and back to God. That defines “restoration”.
Once again, Simon the Sorcerer was saved and then fell away due to his greed. Peter commanded him to repent. The account shows he then begged Peter that no calamity should befall him. Even though Peter had already given him the solution.
Whether Simon truly repented or not, we do not know. Are you claiming “once saved, always saved”? If so, that is unbiblical.
What happens if a Christian goes on sinning? Where does the Bible say he is still saved? That is illogical at best.
Yes, baptism is indeed required for salvation. There are many proof verses, again if you are open to them.
Mark 16:16, the words of Jesus is crystal clear: “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.”
One verse is all that is necessary to refute the belief that baptism is not required. What else could that verse possibly mean?
@havoc_211@Xtopher_Uzo By biblical definition, anyone who answers the Gospel call is saved.
Yes, there are Jews who have become Christians. I know a few personally.
Salvation is for both the Jew and the Gentile thanks be to Christ and His death on the cross.