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[Max @maxcspl]

omg yes

[Max @maxcspl]

@HommyAG Is your ethical red line is purely procedural? If private corporations fund a tournament in a state bombing civilians, that's fine, but if it's the state funding it, it's a boycott? You're just auditing funding models rather than taking a stand against atrocity

[Max @maxcspl]

@HommyAG By framing it in such a way that a state must be actively supporting the tourney, you are inherently protecting hegemonic powers i.e. the US. The US doesnt need to explicitly fund esports events for its reputation because it already has overwhelming cultural and economic hegemony

[Max @maxcspl]

@HommyAG It is already incredibly telling that you won't reply to this question, but here is what I have to say on the matter. You can't morally consume this sport, sorry

[Max @maxcspl]

@HommyAG Ah so you would support Worlds being independently hosted in Russia/Israel/Saudi Arabia if the respective governments were not funding it, yes?

[Max @maxcspl]

@Kazan932813 @HommyAG bringing worlds to the US brings tourism, economic stimulus, and cultural "prestige." It signals the US is a "normal," acceptable place to gather, thereby implicitly endorsing or at least ignoring its recent military atrocities. Is this not the critique of sportswashing?

[Max @maxcspl]

@Kazan932813 @HommyAG I think it matters to be consistent:
drawing the line exactly at "direct state sponsorship" is very convenient. It allows u to claim the moral high ground against Saudi while comfortably continuing to consume esports products in NA without having to reckon w/ US foreign policy

[Max @maxcspl]

@Kazan932813 @HommyAG I agree, is that your hard line? State sponsorship? To me, that feels a bit arbitrary since the end result is the same. Sure the sponsorship angle is more actively malignant, but one could argue that independently choosing to host on controversial soil is worse on Riot's part

[Max @maxcspl]

@Kazan932813 @HommyAG You can argue it's not as bad as a conscious effort, sure, but it still is tacit endorsement. Would you not see Riot choosing to host a tournament in Israel as a problematic tacit endorsement of the safety, visitability, and normality of Israel?

[Max @maxcspl]

@Chickensalt1234 @HommyAG So you believe this relatively small city in Southern Iran consciously choose to build a school *near* a military compound at least 25 years ago, before the US had ever attacked Iranian soil, with the explicit intention of it being a "human shield?" You sincerely believe that?

[Max @maxcspl]

@Kazan932813 @HommyAG Why does it not hold the same moral implications? Is Riot choosing to host a tournament in a given country not a tacit endorsement of that country's safety, normality, acceptability, etc.?

[Max @maxcspl]

@jockeskit @HommyAG So if Riot independently chose to host world's in saudi arabia without state support, you would be fine with it?

[Max @maxcspl]

@Kazan932813 @HommyAG So if Riot independently chose to host world's in saudi arabia without state support, you would be fine with it?

[Max @maxcspl]

@supHezi @HommyAG then we are not talking about the same thing because I don't care about Caedrel, I care about the broad outrage against EWC while World's is being hosted in a country that is far more actively evil than Saudi. My point is that there is no moral consumption of the sport

[Max @maxcspl]

@Chickensalt1234 @HommyAG Your framing is far more actively conspiratorial. I'm looking at historical imagery, this school and compound has existed since at least 2001, likely much earlier. You really think this school was consciously built to be a "human shield" for a neighboring military compound?

[Max @maxcspl]

@supHezi @HommyAG Again, I don't care about Caedrel. If Riot independently chose to host a tournament in Saudi, Israel, whatever country you find most detestable, would you support boycotts against the tournament, even if the governments did not fund the tourney? Would you attack casters going?

[Max @maxcspl]

@supHezi @HommyAG So you would support Riot independently choosing to host worlds in Israel or Saudi Arabia if the state wasn't sponsoring it? I don't really care about Caedrel, I am more frustrated at the clear double standard of the league community

[Max @maxcspl]

@Chickensalt1234 @HommyAG Why is the United States allowed to operate 161 public schools on military installations, but Iran cannot build a school next to one? There was a direct hit on that school in Iran. Why are you defending the murder of 120 kids?

[Max @maxcspl]

@HommyAG Does it really matter who is funding it? "use sport as a means to improve their reputation by distracting or diverting attention away from activities considered by others as controversial or unethical"
Doesn't hosting worlds in the US portray America as a normal country?

[Max @maxcspl]

@Chickensalt1234 @HommyAG The US has the most advanced military capabilities on the planet and frequently executes very high precision military strikes. Why start an offensive war against a country that didn't attack you?