What upsets me when people throw insults at me, curse me out, and attack my character, is if I respond poorly to it. My concern is that I remain centered and Christian (Matthew 5:38-42).
The Christian Church never existed without the Scriptures as Romanists claim.
Why? Because the apostles always claimed that their religion was the fulfillment of the Old Testament, which already existed at the time of Pentecost,
Acts 26:22-23, “So, having obtained help from God, I stand to this day testifying both to small and great, stating nothing but what the Prophets and Moses said was going to take place; [23] that the Christ was to suffer, and that by reason of His resurrection from the dead He would be the first to proclaim light both to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles."
@The_Idol_Killer@ErickYbarra3 Ok, I didn't know that. I appreciate the clarity. Just curious, are you not joining their church because of the dynamic omniscient view?
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@The_Idol_Killer@ErickYbarra3 Do you believe that justification is additionally transformative? Because it sounds as if you're agreeing or siding with the EO.
Idk why you're avoiding the question so much, Warren. You demand so many answers from me but give none yourself. Seems strange to me.
If the quotes above don't suffice, and my debate didn't, then it's okay on my end. I can only encourage you to study it more. I'm just a guide to men smarter than myself.
@MethodMinistry did a fantastic job in his debate on justification.
He didn’t get derailed by the constant strawmans, rhetorical flourishes, or the looping that Alex did throughout.
Very impressive and I commend everyone to watch it.
@The_Idol_Killer@ErickYbarra3 But do you affirm a transformative motif in addition to that? Romans 4:5 is clear that it’s the ungodly who doesn’t work that God justifies, so it’s forensic. So I’m not seeing any problem with what I said, unless you take the EO or EO like view?
By His merits we are “counted” as righteous, that is, He puts us in a right standing with Him and acquits us of our sin on the grounds of what Christ did for us. The point of Romans 4:5 is that God counts the ungodly as righteousness despite them not working and being inherently “ungodly.” That’s forensic.
Do you take a transformative view of justification?
Definitely.
In Wesley's Sermon, Justification by Faith, he answers it,
"Least of all does justification imply that God is deceived in those whom he justifies; that he thinks them to be what in fact they are not, that he accounts them to be otherwise than they are. It does by no means imply that God judges concerning us contrary to the real nature of things, that he esteems us better than we really are, or believes us righteous when we are unrighteous. Surely no. The judgment of the all-wise God is always accounting to truth. Neither can it ever consist with his unerring wisdom to think that I am innocent, to judge that I am righteous or holy, because another is so. He can no more in this manner confound me with Christ than with David or Abraham. Let any man to whom God hath given understanding weigh this without prejudice, and he cannot but perceive that such a notion of justification is neither reconcilable to reason nor Scripture."
Then compare to his sermon, "The Lord our Righteousness,"
"'But in what sense is this righteousness imputed to believers?" In this: all believers are forgiven and accepted, not for the sake of anything in them, or of anything that ever was, that is, or ever can be done by them, but wholly and solely for the sake of what Christ hath done and suffered for them."
I had a good time debating, and thanks to @Alex_Ortodoxie and @ModernDayDebate for this.
I hope this can serve as a good example of our differences over the important issue of what is justification is.
Praise be to the God who justifies (Romans 8:33).
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LIVE TOMORROW NIGHT – 8:00 PM CST!
Join me as I sit down with @MethodMinistry (Lucas Curcio) to discuss and review his recent debate with an OrthoBRO on the doctrine of Justification.
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