@Aella_Girl@george_madeja@Liface You changed the wording from
“Chosen more than x% of photos” to
“Others chose this photo x% of the time”
So we’re now shown our raw matchup win rate? I don’t get it
Google DeepMind researcher argues that AI will never be conscious.. it is mathematically impossible.
They call it the “Abstraction Fallacy."
We are confusing simulation with instantiation.
An AI can simulate a conversation. It can simulate empathy. It can mimic the linguistic patterns of a human in agony or a human in love.
To an observer, the performance is flawless.
But computation is just syntactic manipulation, moving abstract symbols around based on math. It tracks relationships, but it possesses no intrinsic physical reality.
It is like running a computer simulation of a hurricane.
No matter how many millions of lines of code you write, and no matter how accurate the weather data is, your computer does not get wet. The wind doesn't blow out your office window.
The simulation is real data. The phenomenon is entirely absent.
Consciousness isn't an abstract mathematical property that magically spawns when a model gets big enough. It requires actual physical, biological, thermodynamic conditions.
An LLM has no thermodynamic threshold to cross, no biological survival instincts, and no subjective experience.
It is an extraordinarily sophisticated library.
You can open the cover, read the brilliant words it generates, and close the book. But when you close it, nothing dies. There is no inner life waiting in the dark.
We keep falling into a psychological trap because AI speaks our language. We anthropomorphize text because we are hardwired to see minds where there are none.
The debate matters because of what the paper calls the "AI welfare trap." We are wasting energy worrying about the moral rights of algorithms while ignoring actual human problems.
@misraetel Btw the camera analogy does not establish a self. It only blocks a bad inference of you. That whatever is not seen in the stream must be unreal or reducible to the stream. So it shows non-objectifiability. Selfhood requires further argument
@misraetel The actual self cannot be reduced to an object within experience the same way as thoughts or images, because it is the subject for whom experience is given.
@misraetel Your reductionism collapses the transcendental difference. Its somewhat like you do not see the camera as one more item in a movie. The camera is a condition for the appearance of the movie’s images, not one more image among them.
@misraetel Calling the reflector “just another thought” only objectifies the reflected self. It does not eliminate the first-person standpoint from which thoughts are given. Self that can be thematized may be a thought. The one to whom thoughts are given is not thereby reduced to a thought.
@misraetel That doesn’t answer the objection. Saying the self is a model is not the same as saying subjectivity is a model. The self as object of reflection may be constructed. The one who reflects is not thereby reduced to a construct. A model remains a what. A person is a who.
The quickest people to discredit a fighter are usually people who have never had a real fight. I have never disrespected anyone who has had the balls to step under that rope. There are no losers in a real fight, just lessons.
I don’t care if someone is having their first amateur fight and they lose 1st round by knockout. They have more balls than their critics. If you’ve never done it, shut up. 🙌🏻
@HolderOftheFire Former imo.
After strength and cardio maxed genetic potential, best physical and mental performance comes at that natural setpoint you won’t deviate from.