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@SCMountainGoat 👀

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@mithrilmormon

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@theelderpepe

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@TruthFromEarth Moses 5:8

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@huge_nibley

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@Mormonger

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yah the relentless “heresy! ye be damned!” bs is misguided.

sound doctrine is a force multiplier, and important — but it’s the EFFECT of false beliefs that’s perilous (e.g. believing ‘faith alone’ without works is enough puts its adherents in a position of lethargy in the midst of an action-exigent experience - (an obvious disadvantage)) - the sacrifices of the old testament just shifted, they didn’t disappear (3 Ne 9:19-20). )

the beliefs themselves don’t damn anyone, it’s the resulting actions (or lack thereof) that carry consequences - limiting/stopping (damning) them (by limiting their actions-on-objective). ‘beliefs’ can be corrected, for honest open minds

the idea that everyone was in the beginning together isn’t weird or ‘heretical’’; it’s correct, and very simple. they blow things out of proportion like the National Enquirer - to attract eyeballs and emotions. in service to their livelihood or tribal charter. feel bad for the dolts not bright enough to see through it

anyway, these myopic purity tests from toddlers in the kiddie-pool are tiresome and shallow. worship your one book, we’ll *believe/use* that book and worship a living God tyvm

good on you for trying to meet’ em half way - but, in the end it’s a two-way street … and tragically there’s not enough oil for everybody’s lamp rn. everybody has to put in work themselves or fafo later. babysitting is almost impossible these days

*steps down off soap-box*

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@ZEER0HOUR Hegseth '28

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@Primary_Pianist remember, it's a 2-way street.

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@Primary_Pianist Matt 12:34; 10:16 / D&C 121:43

don't overthink it - you render *QUITE* a venerable public service, extricating the relentless deception that pervades these 'debates'

declare, don't argue (that's exactly what you're doing just fine)

be kind as possible, but don't be stupid

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@SecWar outstanding.

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@PTSPentax Realize that sealing is a Melchizedek Priesthood ordinance [+ D&C 84:19-26 ]

i respectfully decline to argue online, it’s useless to me

good luck

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@GuyInco15542744 *always

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@JackMoRebellion 👀

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@JackMoRebellion never leave home without a cordless hole-puncher

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you're on your own big guy.

i made a misteke yesterday letting you drag me into your mud pit. not happening again.

for the record this 'i and my father are one' is the simplest thing in the world. just read John 17. super simple. I answered all your questions multiple times, in great detail.

good luck

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[yah, i did not expect to be still doing this... ugh this weird guy just keeps going]

I'm only doing this once, not more (I avoid arguing about this stuff, it gets convoluted, engenders contention, it's pointless, wastes massive time and effort, and to be frank i don't give a shit what anyone else thinks. they (you) can think what they (you) want. I legit do not care.) but, as they say the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so here ya go: 1. adopting a "exact-words" stance when it comes to the bible is very, very sticky for anyone - for myriad reasons, which I will not outlay as 1. it is extremely obvious all denominations interpret differently, and 2. it would require a full month of research to even start. For this little spat, your difficulty revolves around these (and I'm sure many other) scriptures. You are demanding a refutation of this one single verse - ok well by your own standard, in order to assert the absolute textual authority of one solitary scripture (Isaiah 43:10), you must refute the absolute textual authority of each of these bible scriptures' "exact wording": > “Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” (Psalm 82:6) > John 10:34 - “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” this is my favorite one, because Christ himself is arguing: the Psalm cannot be broken (sounds a lot like you, actually), 'YE are gods; how can you people, then, criticize me for saying I'm the SON of god?' < that's His argument, not mine. the contrarian interpretation you will inevitably twist up is yours, not some objective truth. you hail straight from Nicea ... good luck with that. > Peter says we can become “partakers of the divine nature.” (2 Peter 1:4) > John says, “We shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” (1 John 3:2) > Paul says Christ will transform our bodies to be like His glorious body. (Philippians 3:21) > Jesus prayed to the Father, “The glory which thou gavest me I have given them.” (John 17:22) > Paul calls us “heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ.” (Romans 8:17) > Revelation 21:7 says, “He that overcometh shall inherit all things.” > Jesus said, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.” (Revelation 3:21) > “If we suffer, we shall also reign with him.” (2 Timothy 2:12) you have some work to do on these, if you want to legitimately claim any version of your 'absolute' Isaiah 43:10 premise. chop chop I'm in a Ferrari and you're chasing me on a tricycle. 2. ok but you ordered a very specific refutation didn'tcha. ok let's see if i have any in the back room ... lemme go check ... refuting 'no other gods' as a strictly textual problem ... ah yes. mkay your order is ready, sir: > exhibit a. 1 Corinthians 8:5–6 “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ...” // self-explanatory, you need to twist this one into submission for your absolute-text premise to be valid. the text says it in black and white. so now what hm > exhibit b. John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” // self explanatory as well, but I'll explain: from a strictly logical pov, 'The Word' being both "with God" and "was God" requires at least 2 entities present, both being "god". I know you're gonna do the 'trinity' thing but i don't give a shit. your standard was textual, this achieves that ... unless your standard is "only my interpretation is valid". that's ok too, and I fully expect exactly that from a brat on a tricycle. > exhibit c. Deuteronomy 32:17 “They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.” /// this one is certainly about Idols, but your standard is textual. this fits. "gods whom they knew not", "new gods that came newly up". let's hear it, mr. absolute. > exhibit d. Genesis 11:7 “Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language...” // "us"? hm. seems like you got another one to twist up into a pretzel before your lil premise is free and clear. > exhibit e. Genesis 3:22 “And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil...” /// "us" ... "one of us" ... ? hm. ok start twisting it's gonna take a while. > exhibit f. Genesis 1:26 “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...” /// "us" ... "our" ... "our" ... T W I S T it man get twisting or your premise is in real trouble. don't change the subject to 'image' or 'likeness' - that's beside the point, a completely different argument. God said "us" - 3 times. fun fact: in the temple this is explained. in fact, it makes perfect sense that this is the first story in the bible, as it is THE content of the temple endowment. yah, the temple that the apostles were 'continually in' after Christ ascended. (Luke 24:53). hm maybe you're missing something really important ... dunno. oh well. > exhibit g. Psalm 82:1 “God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.” /// hm. from a textual standpoint, you got another problem. twist it up, man. ========================= bonus section: (this one doesn't really apply to you, but it actually explains your little conundrum tbh.) everyone was apparently in the beginning with God, so ... well, sure - even in your myopic little restrictive condition, there is an answer. the specific are not completely clear, but in some capacity, all were 'present' in 'the beginning'; thus, "before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." would technically be accurate. D&C 93:21 “And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn;” D&C 93:23 “Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth;” D&C 93:29 “Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.” D&C 93:33 “For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;” ========================= you're obsessing over a problem that God solved 200 years ago. from joseph smith's own account: Never did any passage of scripture come with more power to the heart of man than this did at this time to mine. It seemed to enter with great force into every feeling of my heart. I reflected on it again and again, knowing that if any person needed wisdom from God, I did; for how to act I did not know, and unless I could get more wisdom than I then had, I would never know; for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible. might I suggest you read James 1:5 because it is the real solution to your problem here. I find for the most part, that many protestants ... likely the ones whose livelihood depends on them being right ... worship the bible itself, not God, Christ or The Holy Ghost. Incidentally, we do believe they are one God, perfectly united in purpose, divinity, perfection; just not one mashed mutant triple-faced cosmic ventriloquist; forgive my rancor but having to explain all this is tiresome af. if you think you're going to 'live forever' with a perfect loving transcendent being and He will just leave you flat what you are and not help you progress (for infinity), and eons from now you will just be the same guy you are now. mkay. u do u big guy. on the other hand, if you're simply trying to weaponize performative 'humility' ... have fun with that. if you simply hate us/me irrationally, join the club, man - it's nothing to me, I don't have enough oil in my lamp for you sry i got plenty of shit to do besides babysitting a full-grown stranger on a trike. In the temple, you can encounter a very personal one-on-one relationship with the eternal God Himself. I hope you get there and experience it someday; but it is a long road, and you will have to change a lot - both your mind and heart. until then, as I said: good luck. Yes, the bible is scripture, but pretending that your own interpretation is ironclad objectivity will always be pure folly, and has been for centuries. look at all that crap. you see why i didn't want to do it? go do and think whatever you want on your tricycle.

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44:8 - that's your opinion. means nothing to me.

Philippians 2:6 - it says He 'thought it not robbery to be equal with God' - it's not a definitive statement in the way you're framing. so your question is invalid, really. but there's no discrepancy in this verse. it's 100% true, you are trying to be confusing for some reason. this is very simple. and I think you misrepresented what I said.

man you really seem to be performing for somebody. who is watching this?

Abram 4:1 - i said if one can be in heaven, speaking out of heaven, and one can be floating like a dove in the air, while simultaneously another stands on the earth in the water ... it's not crazy to refer to those 3 beings as "Gods". so yah, at least 3. if we're getting stupid. (which, we are)

Isaiah 44:8. already answered this one like 10 times. ... or, he's referring to the godhead as "GOD", which we know is possible, and as such, is very simple to understand in any context.

Isaiah 43:10. answered this like 10 times now - it uses the word 'form'. you have obviously decided what that means, and I don't want to argue with a prophet like yourself, or ... a ... ?, but i must respectfully disagree with your opinion, here. as I have stated numerous time already. and let's be very clear, you are the one prodding me with the 'are you a god'. yah I've turned it back on ya a bit, but you're clearly being needlessly confrontational and critical.

John 4:24. yah. I guess if you're limited to just the bible this is a tough one. good luck - there's more info out there but you don't want it. u do u big guy.

You make weird unsupported no-context claims about obscure peripheral texts and solitary scriptures ... and that's supposed to mean something? it's not an argument. it's a preset conclusion. and you're welcome to it. as I've said all along, you're entitled to your opinion. but here you are just grilling and grilling. it's almost like you want me to teach you. ok. i mean here we are.

i'd be very interested to find out exactly who this performance is for.

King Follet - mkay. I guess I"m the certifier now?

you still haven't explained all the contradictions in my nuke. it's ok. i don't think you're up to it, anyway.

D&C 132:4 - yah currently. I explained it. and Moses came down off the mounteain with one law, saw the people worshipping a calf and smashed the law, and went back up for a different version because the people couln't hack it. same principle, different dispensation. no problem here.

Jacob 2:24 (like the third time i've answered this) - the extra wives *taken* by David and Solomon *not given by god* - are the abomination. totally cogent. very simple. 132 just lays out the og law. it fits quite well, actually.

yep the nycene creed is an abomination - at least the false parts of it are.

Matthew 12:36 - you are once again conflating your aggressive opinions with words from the scriptures. u do u.

Matthew 25:46 - living forever is GREAT news. yah, where you live is important, but almost everyone will inherit a kingdom of glory, and indications are that progress is possible in that realm. you ain't getting nowwhere and i'm starting to get fatigued from all this typing and thinking answering easy questions late at night.

Oh - so I need to go get the nuke and quote it here? ok standby. // /I'll put it in the reply to this message.