the dawn

24, ASOIAF, Avatar, a whole lot more.

[Morgan Bannon @AirspeedPrime]

Why are the leakers now trying to purposefully ruin the franchise?

It has been such a long wait waiting for this Avatar Studios stuff to come out and now we are not even allowed to be excited for the release.

We are so close to SDCC, just let them officially communicate.

[the dawn @mistquill]

@ChrisShattuck But for something that might surprise people, you can look on old LOTR forums and see people absolutely fuming about the Peter Jackson movies which were imo near as faithful as a 2000s blockbuster could be (sometimes for similar reasons like Arwen's expanded role etc)

[the dawn @mistquill]

@ChrisShattuck Was not just replaced (as original ideas are okay) but replaced with a less interesting and very strange storylines. I think the whole culture wars over the last 10 years is really the key difference though, as well as maybe condensing being more essential with WoT

[the dawn @mistquill]

@TwoMovement Whitecloak occupation of the village, family deep in debt to someone and had no option but to agree?

[cat | everything for the gays @marisavanzee]

never ceases to be funny watching the fandom explode over a casting that turns out to be incredibly minor. truly mindblowing how often it happens and despite all the reveals of who they were this season, we'll inevitably blow up like this again with more casting news this season!

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred Well, the weak writing means its like GRRM writing a war where he randomly makes the king name a peasant called Bob heir without really explaining the reasons why, and then like using it as "commentary" on classism. Like maybe thats why it happened but... not a well written way

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred It's actually what I'm getting at tbh. By the rules of the setting in terms of preventing a war/ensuring stability, keeping her as heir was the strangest of all and the way that it happened depending on GRRM writing Viserys as making an implausible decision and not explaining it

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred I can to point out the weak points of the fiction. Matilda did fight a succession war, but the historical reasons things were split are, well, real - while for Rhaenyra, there are far more (publicly perceived) negatives to the point the conflict as a whole seems just strange

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred Well, if we're acknowledging that Jeyne automatically supporting women isn't a given pre-theoretical feminism, then it's another case of luck/family ties and/or handwaving tbh

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred It does have that base, but when it's so flawed and feels so railroaded, it doesn't seem to be a particularly deep or interesting explanation of what it looks like

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred According to the book description Cregan didn't immediately accept so yeah luck really. And prior to theoretical feminism on a mass scale, women who rarely had power often didn't support expanding that power. Queen Victoria was anti-feminist

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred So Rhaenyra could have had a decent life if her father was smart and acknowledged she was no longer heir then? She would have been still extremely wealthy and been not considered a threat like any ordinary sister of a king

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred What I am more saying is that the fundamental premise of Viserys keeping Rhaenyra in the first place and characters like mostly standing around for 20 years shrugging and mildly confused isn't very well written or in line with how things usually are in ASOIAF

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred I did, but I think a lot of these explanations are insufficient. Jeyne Arryn inherited because of no brothers, much like Maria Theresa, an archconservative of the pre-liberal revolutions era. The Starks is luck, and the Velaryons - yeah, realistic, but a one-off

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred So it comes across as the war being a contingency on GRRM writing weirdly and ignoring a lot of things from the premise instead of fully showing what a realistic civil war would look like (over many reasons including gender)

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred Like as we've established, it's fictional. But the explanation for a lot of these seem relatively forced or don't mesh well with the world we see in the original series. It suffers from this being just a random idea GRRM had for the dragons dying that he later had to develop

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred I'm saying that GRRM handwaves a lot of things. What benefit do people get by fighting for her? Why did Viserys not make the lord take oaths after Aegon's birth when Rhaenyra was originally only named heir over Daemon? Why did he have the idea to keep her heir, etc.

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred But in the setting, it has already been viewed by all prior to this war that a son is a natural heir

And Westeros is a cutthroat world, and in the main series many people do break oaths that aren't politically feasible. What made people respect oaths more in the past?

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred Was set to rule a foreign country like how Portugal and Brazil split up with Portugal going to the daughter who only had one brother (the Brazilian monarch)

[the dawn @mistquill]

@arraxegg @sunfyred A daughter over a nephew, brother, or cousin was a realistic point of contention in succession wars. A daughter over a strong in an already established patriarchal system is very strange, and only happened very rarely if the son had the wrong religion (like Mary II) or