@ArtemisConsort You are being overly pedantic over basic deductive reasoning. The discourse is wasted on justifying the need for group judgements and should rather be on qualifying the moral/scientific quality of said judgements.
They have taken a serious look! And they have judged that trade-off trivially acceptable.
The questions of how much violence one *wants* vs. how much violence one *is willing to tolerate* are altogether separate ones, though they have been muddled together in the discourse recently – which underlies a large chunk of this confusion.
Below is an excerpt from Eliezer Yudkowsky’s recent essay where he explains that though the presence of awareness-raising rhetoric may predictably lead to more rogue violence than in its absence (despite the deliverer’s best efforts to discourage it), he considers that cost to be worth bearing.
This clearly isn’t to say that a safetyist is somebody who wants violence, somebody who doesn’t try to discourage violence, or somebody who believes violence is helpful for their cause. But it does straightforwardly mean that a safetyist is somebody who is expected to tolerate some amount of predictable violence as a direct or indirect consequence of their inflammatory communication. These dispositions are entirely internally consistent.
Obviously, we can expect this cost/benefit function to be pretty extreme – the multiplier on the extinction event is considered to be in the order of billions of lives. If the publication of “If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies” lowers the probability of that extinction event in the slightest, then the amount of rogue violence its presence would have to cause to outweigh the safetyists’ perceived benefit is likely to be very, very – plausibly impossibly – large. The amount of violence that would, under this analysis, be considered tolerable before it’s judged appropriate to turn down the heat is therefore extremely high.
Related exchanges over the past 3 days have consistently been made up of the tech-optimists shouting at the safetyists that rogue violence in response to their rhetoric was and remains entirely predictable, and the safetyists responding that they have tried their hardest to avoid that – to which the tech-optimists respond that this is disingenuous, given that if the safetyists truly wanted to avoid violence they’d turn down the heat on the cause and publish less IABIEDs. But of course nobody is being dishonest here. What one wants and what one tolerates are not the same, and the magnitude of escalation it would take from here for these cohorts to run out of that tolerance and judge it appropriate to soften rhetoric should reasonably be expected to be substantial.
@TerryGiant97 You niggas are dumb. You lack the ability to critically think or see things past one dimension. One random story from the internet and you make these grandiose statements that lack any nuance at all. It is so tiring.
@originalwololo this is why i hate redpill content like this so much cus they try to be overly analytical(in a wrong way) about social interactions but in that they lose a sense of intuition needed to properly orient yourself in the world. Hence, the bitterness and misdirected anger.