I debunk false claims pertaining to history, religion, and politics. I set the narrative right, and turn the tables when needed. Did I mention my poetry?
No, Mike you can't away with calling me dishonest and claiming that I got things wrong in my OP. You will have to respond.
Here's my OP (SS1). Let's take my claims one by one, shall we?
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1. Who denounced Copernicus's work after his death?
It appears that in Feb 1616. the Inquisition published a declaration (SS2 abd SS3) in which they said addressing Copernicus's opinions that:
The view that: The sun is the center of the world, and entirely immobile insofar as location movement
is "foolish and absurd in Philosophy; and formally heretical, since it expressly contradicts the sense of sacred scripture in many places, according to the quality of the words, and according to the common exposition, and understanding, of the Holy Fathers and the learned Theologians."
The view that: The earth is not the center of the world, and not immobile, but is moved along Whole itself, and also by diurnal motion.
is "to receive the same appraisal in Philosophy; and regarding Theological truth, at least to be erroneous in faith."
Since the inquisition was set up by the Catholic church, it Catholic Church was directly responsible for calling Copernicus's work heretical.
Your counter?
@grok assess the accuracy of this evidence as in independent judge.
@Rohansguliani@Lordmiles That's because India invests more in cricket and chess and not in Olympic sports. That's why India leads the world in cricket but lags in other sports. It does not mean they are not good enough, just that the investment needs to be redistributed.
Several actually. Scientists, musicians, academics, billionaires:
- Richard Alpert
- Edwin Bryant
- Anuradha Dooney
- Albert Ford
- Samuel Evans Stokes
- E.C. George Sudarshan
- John Dobson
- Sharabhang Giri the Australian baba
- Voltaire
- Schopenhauer
- Schlegel
- The top 1% of any population is bound to be attracted to philosophical Hinduism. This includes atheists, as you can clearly see in the case of the likes of Alex O'Connor.
Whats funny about Hinduism…
Everyone has doubts of faith. Atheists, Christians etc. but nobody, and mean NOBODY has ever gone
“Hey I think the Hindus may be right on this”
Because their monkey blue 20 headed elephant God with poop throwing festival is so laughable.
Do you know a single non Indian who has converted to Hinduism? Exactly.
He has prophylactically blocked me so I cannot quash his ignorance, but I did respond under that thread. He clearly does not understand offering a daughter's hand in marriage to a Brahmana (Daiva and Arsha vivaha - look them up) and thinks offering one's daughter to the service of God is to make them a prostitute.
That is a leap he is making in his mind, and my academic references disprove them.
False, Muhammad is integral to Islamic identity and there was no Islam before Muhammad.
Let's see this with a simple demonstration:
A unitarian Christian who believes in ONE GOD and the judgement day, and all the prophets until Jesus is NOT a Muslim because he denies Muhammad.
An Ahmediyya who believes in ONE GOD and judgement day, and the pillars of Islam and even in Muhammad's prophethood, but believes that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani was the next prophet, is also not considered a Muslim by trads.
Hence, more important than Allah and all the other articles of faith is the belief in Muhammad as the last prophet, making Islam a personality cult.
Besides, you invoking Adam is not a historical or archeological claim, it is a mythological one. Jews will claim him too while denying Islam. A Hindu would claim humanity started with Manu. So ultimately, these would just be mythological claims hurled at one another with no way to ascertain which is true.
@MyExcellencyAJ@gimoxtweets evident for kalimah?
the kalmah translates to " There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"
In islam we believe that Muhammad (PBUH) is last messenger of Allah.
that implies there were prophet before Muhammad.
the first prophet being Adam (AS)
False, Muhammad is integral to Islamic identity and there was no Islam before Muhammad.
Let's see this with a simple demonstration:
A unitarian Christian who believes in ONE GOD and the judgement day, and all the prophets until Jesus is NOT a Muslim because he denies Muhammad.
An Ahmediyya who believes in ONE GOD and judgement day, and the pillars of Islam and even in Muhammad's prophethood, but believes that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani was the next prophet, is also not considered a Muslim by trads.
Hence, more important than Allah and all the other articles of faith is the belief in Muhammad as the last prophet, making Islam a personality cult.
Besides, you invoking Adam is not a historical or archeological claim, it is a mythological one. Jews will claim him too while denying Islam. A Hindu would claim humanity started with Manu. So ultimately, these would just be mythological claims hurled at one another with no way to ascertain which is true.
@Vajrasuci@HongZhou1110308 Clearly does not understand giving in marriage (Daiva / Arsha vivaha), and sees sex in everything. Sad people with repressed desires.
Ignorance is a commodity on X.
Devadasis were not prostitutes. They were temple dancers and literal wives of the divine. They danced to celebrate the deity. Music and dance had always been a method of worship. They enjoyed great wealth and power and hence, did not need to resort to prostitution.
The sexual exploitation of such women started only with the decline of Hindu patronage of the temples, specifically during Islamic and British rule.
Given that little kids are still sexually exploited in monasteries, churches and madrasas, it is weird that one does not know the difference between religious teachings and human criminality.
Nice topic, which got me into some reading up.
The British banned it not because they had a dislike for Bharatanatyam but because Hindoo was turning the temple into a den of prostitution by exploiting these temple nautch girls (Devadasis).
There was a point of time in history when the temple was both a place of worship as well as a dance-bar cum randikhana for the Hindoo.
Thanks to the British, Hindoo temples are much better now to visit and all of you should visit some of these ancient temples once. Especially the Nataraja temple in Chidambaram, where every February, there's a festival of classical arts.
Ah the same stupidity. If you invoke Adam, I invoke Manu. While Manu was absolutely a Vedic Hindu, Adam was not Muslim because he never said the Kalimah (because there was no Muhammad) and so the Jews get to claim him. Moreover this post is based on history and archeology, not mythology.
Ah the same stupidity. If you invoke Adam, I invoke Manu. While Manu was absolutely a Vedic Hindu, Adam was not Muslim because he never said the Kalimah (because there was no Muhammad) and so the Jews get to claim him. Moreover this post is based on history and archeology, not mythology.
@themainbishxoxo@Rustum_0 Whatever they do, they take proper permissions. There is no pollution in using biodegradable and natural materials. Besides, if Hindus are flouting the law, what's stopping anyone from complaining and getting them arrested.
False equivalence. The topic under discussion was imposing religious practices in a country of emigration. There is no Hindu violence in India. Vigilantism is bad, and is punished by the law. But so are:
1. breaking the law and performing cow slaughter where it is prohibited.
2. lynching Hindus during Holi because a child mistakenly splashed some colour on a Muslim woman.
3. beheading a poor tailor for simply quoting Sahih al Bukhari Hadiths
4. Exploding bombs outside public monuments
5. Planning to poison temple offerings
6. killing people for just being Hindu in Muslim dominated areas.
I never see Muslims call these out. They go out of their way to defend these acts.
1. Yes they are associated with Chudism because they are in the texts and were transmitted with the religion to South East Asia.
2. Yes, these social practices are enduring, and, sadly, still exist socially in Japan and Korea, often illegally, just like it does in India. See screenshots. Moreover, such discrimination exists globally. Why are certain cleaning professions relegated to only certain classes of immigrants in the US, UAE and KSA?
It's easy to single out India and Hinduism because we never tried to challenge that narrative before, but we do now.
While in Korea and Japan, secular efforts or other religions were needed to regulate discrimination, in India, Hinduism itself regulated this social evil through egalitarian movements like Vaishnavism, Lingayatism, Shaivism, Arya Samaj, etc.
No text is as affirmative on the equality of all beings as the Bhagavad Gita, 5.18, which says that enlightened men must see as one a Brahmin, a Chandala and even a dog, elephant or cow.
3. Chuddhism is younger than Hinduism. Most ills are usually later additions. The Vedas had no discrimination and described mutual respect (Ode to the laborers and farmers), varna fluidity (Rig Veda 9.112.3) and acculturation (Purusha Sukta mentioning all varnas were from the same Purusha). The king ploughing his field was a Vedic practice. This discrimination only came later, with the jatis and localization of professions with communities.
Untouchability is a modern, post- Buddhism phenomenon. The Mahabharata described a king offering himself as a slave to a chandala, showing that the practice of social ostracisation of the so-called varnasankara (mixed varna) did not exist.
4. Yes, they were as systematic.
5. A system of fluid occupational specializations absolutely need to exist for a society to be successful. However, human dignity and spiritual equality has to be paramount. This is exactly the message of the Vedas and the Gita.
No corporation can run with only CEOs or only janitors. Both are needed. And no corporation can be successful if it pays the CEO the same as the janitor, or gives them the same perks. With more responsibility, there has to be more reward. But that does not mean the CEO can exploit the janitor or deny him of his employee rights. In the same vein, no corporation can be successful if it takes the janitor and makes them the CEO without training them to be one.
Trust me, I keep up. I mentioned recent research on entanglement that brought the 2022 Nobel Prize home. Schrodinger's conclusions are still relevant because his findings are still valid. Physicists today adopt the "shut up and calculate" mode, without taking the time to write about the philosophy of what their findings lead to. However, if they were to reflect on it, as some still do, their conclusions would be the same as Schrodinger.
@grok please educate my friend how quantum philosophy is a relevant subject matter.
No it did not, but Einstein's Relativity did not prove Newton's theories wrong, only provided a more general case of it. That's why Newton's equations are still used for simple systems.
No new discovery in Quantum Theory will change the fact that wave-particle duality exists, energy can become matter and vice versa, etc. The Schrodinger wave equation holds for all quantum systems, including out universe in its infancy. When you inspect the philosophy behind this science, you arrive at monism. No new discovery will take away that fundamental cosmology that we have only just rediscovered through math, but had spoken of through poetry ages ago.
But this is how his death is widely described (source Fenech: Martyrdom and the Sikh Tradition):
"It was for the protection of the sacred thread and frontal mark that Guru Tegh Bahadur performed a tremendous deed in the Dark Age. He gave his head for the sake of holy men and uttered not a sign of regret."
And this is what Guru Gobind Singh "the idol breaker" wrote. (Same source)
Dehi "Siva" bar mohe ihai subh karman ke kabhun na tarun.
He said this in a text named Chandi Charitr, invoking the warrior Goddess.
Muslims killed the Sikh Gurus and now are misrepresentating their syncretic teachings.
But this is how his death is widely described (source Fenech: Martyrdom and the Sikh Tradition):
"It was for the protection of the sacred thread and frontal mark that Guru Tegh Bahadur performed a tremendous deed in the Dark Age. He gave his head for the sake of holy men and uttered not a sign of regret."
And this is what Guru Gobind Singh "the idol breaker" wrote. (Same source)
Dehi "Siva" bar mohe ihai subh karman ke kabhun na tarun.
He said this in a text named Chandi Charitr, invoking the warrior Goddess.
Muslims killed the Sikh Gurus and now are misrepresentating their syncretic teachings
This is a forgery.. Guru Tegh never said this. On the contrary, his son, Guru Gobind, wrote the following to Emperor Aurangzeb:
"I vanquished the vicious hill chiefs, they were idol-worshippers and I am idol-breaker."
— Zafarnamah; verse 95.