I think Christian nations are great actually. I made a whole movie about it. It’s a the white supremacist, anti-semitic ethno state I am not of fan of. Not everything that appropriates the “christian” label is in fact christian.
https://t.co/fOzDeawRxP
For postmillennialists, missions has always been about building and transforming institutions just as much as saving individual souls. Discipling a nation requires more than just soul-winning, it requires culture building.
A. A. Hodge of Princeton, who was himself a missionary in India in his early years, correctly saw the major change in missionary strategy which the new (in his day) premillennial prophetic viewpoint had brought about, compared to what earlier postmillennial missionaries had done:
“[Premillennial] missionaries have a style of their own. Their theory affects their work in the way of making them seek exclusively, or chiefly, the conversion of individual souls. The true and efficient missionary method is, to aim directly, indeed, at soul winning, but at the same time to plant Christian institutions in heathen lands, which will, in time, develop according to the genius of the nationalities. English missionaries can never hope to convert the world directly by [individual] units.” (quoted from Iain Murray, The Puritan Hope, p. 204f)
The traditional, Reformed, postmillennial understanding of the Great Commission understood that discipling nations had both individual and institutional aspects. They not only preached the gospel, they established Christian institutions to bring about the transformation of culture.
This just demolished a hefty portion of the NXR’s propaganda. The “you would excommunicate Calvin” stuff was always silly. Glad to see this getting called out.
I fully believe that if Dabney were around today, he would repent of some of the racial views expressed in his writings. When contemporary racists say things like, “You’d excommunicate Dabney if he were around today,” they are not saying anything useful. I usually counter, “If Dabney were around today, he’d repent.” Why assume that Dabney would not be willing or capable of receiving greater light from God’s Word on the issue of race?
This is true of many great saints in history whose views were immature and have been improved upon. There are many early church theologians who would have gladly reworked and improved their Trinitarian formulations if given access to the insights of later generations. I have no doubt many medieval theologians would have welcomed the Reformational doctrine of justification by faith, if given the biblical arguments for it. And, yes, I think many 19th century Southern theologians (some of the first theologians in history to have to deal with the issue of race in such an experiential way!) would gladly receive further light from the Scriptures on the issue. There is no reason to assume their views are frozen in time or that they’d be unwilling to reconsider. I’d like to think that I’d be open to reassessing my views if strong biblical arguments can be made against something I currently believe. Why not grant Dabney the benefit of the doubt as well?
~Rich Lusk
After listening to your 3 hour stream that included Saint Militant where you guys were very much on Team Corey Mahler it is obvious that you view yourself as part of the same movement, as part of the same team. It’s not all that hard to glean that from your conversation with him and the other guys on your show. You’re a smart guy. Playing dumb in this case isn’t helping your cause.
Unfortunate update: @tmcos_tony has just informed me that he has cancelled our scheduled discussion on Sola Scriptura due just learning about my "defending" @CoreyJMahler (no elaboration on what that means) and sharing a platform with my friend Saint Militant.
How unfortunate that he would deprive his audience of edifying substance due to social cooties.
Promote or associate usually means doing streams together in a context that’s not clearly a debate. Where you are on opposite sides, not merely on the same side with a few minor differences. You have made it abundantly clear you are on the same team as the fascists you have on your streams.
#pcaga procedure prospective: a point of order was made to rule the speech intemperate (which would have made him cease & apologize w/possible censure), DeYoung instead just warned him to be careful. People who know Roberts Rules realize DeYoung did the mildest thing he could.
@TBush1689@LoganRamseySDG@jetbrane112176@TGC You have accused people of slander for associating Wolfe and co with Kinism. Now you apparently have a great relationship with card carrying kinists. I used to think you were just ignorant of the reality of what is happening. I won’t be making that assumption anymore.
@LoganRamseySDG@TBush1689@jetbrane112176@TGC Depends on what you mean by multiculturalism. Iron Ink is one of the main kinist websites. Since Tim spent so much time offended for his views being associated with kinism I found it interesting he was now agreeing with the kinists.
@TBush1689@jetbrane112176@TGC@TBush1689 didn’t know you and the hardcore kinists were on the same team. It’s sad to watch but not overly surprising given the guys you have chosen to associate with.
This is one of the silliest takes I have seen from the NXR crowd. They repeat it so often I think some of them actually believe what they are saying. They sound like the trans activists who were all up in arms about dead naming, “it’s literally murder if you won’t call me Sally now.”
It’s an abuse of Scripture and frankly it’s embarrassing. Stop it, just stop it.
Eric constantly bucks up against faithful Reformed brothers White & Wilson but promotes KJVO Anderson as sound?
🤣🤡
Talk about over-correction.
Anderson is a hard supersessionist, which stems from papist & Jesuit heresy circa the counter-reformation.
Ogden should change their ministry name to New Christendumb Press for promoting this fool. But I guess wolf packs do run together.
@LukeBennerE@LoganRamseySDG Preterism is not really tied to a particular interpretation of Romans 11. Most postmills believe in a future conversion of Israel. I have a section on this in my documentary “On Earth As It Is In Heaven”
So apparently people of different ethnicities CAN have a “good life” together just as long as it is limited to a Sunday morning worship service. Of course this doesn’t apply to civil society, so after church they must all return to their segregated enclaves Monday through Saturday. And if you can’t see the brilliance of Wolfe’s appropriation of Aristotle here you must be one of the midwit boomer brain evangelicals his fanboys are always railing against.
One thing I consider very telling. I was involved in heated theological debates in the Presbyterian and Reformed community going all the way back to the Warfield List in the early 90s, and continuing on in debates over creation, women in ministry, paedocomunion, and the FV and countless other tussles that often got very heated. But at no point in those 35 years did someone on the opposite side threaten my life (or in the case of Ben, my family). Also, not once did anyone use filthy language in cursing me or tell me I was a demon on my way to hell for opposing their theology or worldview (not even the famously profane at times Doug Wilson!).
However, since I began opposing the modern CN/Kinist community, that has become all too common. Most of these modern-day "anonymous patriots" don't remind me one wit of the men who signed their own names to the Declaration of Independence, saying,
"And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."
Whatever happened to "Sacred Honor?"
For all the talk of recovering the “reformed tradition” these NXC guys behave more like subversive anabaptists when push comes to shove. Defiant Baptist seems to have chosen the cowards way out instead of submitting to spiritual authority.
A far-right anon posted these images of the response of Shadow Mountain Church (@ShadowMtn), a non-Calvinist Baptist megachurch pastored by David Jeremiah, to the allegations of the racism and sinful behavior of @DefiantBaptist, a contributor to @EvangelicalDW who was called out for his behavior by James White (@HwsEleutheroi) last month.
Defiant and EDW are both boosters of the Christian Nationalist faction, with EDW also sharing antisemitic tropes and boosting Stone Choir.
The church says that Defiant Baptist, who is also on the board of a Christian school according to multiple reports on Twitter, has refused to participate with his church leadership or unlock his account. He has now been permanently removed from leadership in the church.