@tiramistars@kingchiroptera You will constantly see people say Jason supports the death penalty because he himself kills people. Or that he is a cop because he kills people.
@lacapuchechine@msvertigx A letter in Batman #413 (post-crisis) says Jason's updated origin story happened 3 years prior. So it was 3 years until Zero Hour.
And we'll have to agree to disagree there. I wish Jason's time as Robin was longer but what's there alone is enough for him to be my favorite Robin.
What really gets me is that Jason was Robin for about 3 years but irl he lasted only about 2 years, so imagine all the Jaybin stuff we missed, he could've been generational, and we'll probably never get to make up for that time bc the revisionist stories are all angry Robin stuff
@lacapuchechine@msvertigx This is the Zero Hour timeline but I don't think it's particularly clear if that's the one that canon is still operating under. It's pretty up in the air because Jason's time as Robin gets so little attention besides minis trying to show him as born evil.
full head of hair...no stubble...white streak...actually looks his age...lean athletic/acrobatic build instead of being a brick shithouse...@DiNicuolo_ you are my hero
@tymr52691@my_that79452 Why? Because they were acrobats? Have you even read that origin? The whole reason Dick was speaking to them is because they were acrobats, but how they died and how Jason responded to it is totally distinct from Dick. It's not canon anymore anyway but pre-Crisis was not a copy.
@EveFan18 I can't believe the number of people I'm seeing who are Jason fans and saying it sounds good in any capacity. As if it isn't the same exact villainization we can't escape in mainline. Do these people even like Jason or just Red Hood?
@Obito5569 Like I said, I don't disagree that some people take it too far in the other direction, but annoying fans are a much less relevant problem to me compared to official material that refuses to engage with who Jason was.
@Obito5569 But every writer IS writing him as mindlessly angry and violent. In elsewords and AUs like Absolute, it's not supposed to be a fresh new take on Jason- it's the same take they write him with in mainline nowadays. That's WHY I don't like it in elseworlds.
So both are street kids now: Dick chooses Batman, Jason gets a gang. And that “shared background” will become ammo for some fans to claim Jason was inherently bad and doomed to the “wrong” choices—under the guise of denying any class bias in his portrayal. Very consistent logic.
@Obito5569@SmokeStarlight@smargopargo He was upset about particular types of crime but he himself was extremely compassionate. His care was what made him so angry in the first place during his Robin run- angry at the ways Batman and Robin failed to protect victims.
@Obito5569@SmokeStarlight@smargopargo I can understand where you're coming from, I think some people take too much from him and make him bland because they dislike the 'angry robin' label, but I think it's not enough to mindlessly make him angry. He was mad about specific things. There was intention. +
Yes, it's not unusual for impoverished youth to join gangs. But it isn't Jason's story. It wasn't until that New 52 retcon. Why are we acting like New 52 Jason is the direction he should be taken in? Jason explicitly ran away to not join a gang! And tried to stop them on his own!
Any time DC tries to put another character in Jason's shoes, it ends up being about how that character is still good and makes the right choices, while Jason is doomed to crime. Jason is always made to be uniquely wrong or bad or villainous.
First plot details for DC's puppet-animated film ‘DYNAMIC DUO’.
• Follows Jason & Dick as duo of street rats who name themselves the dynamic duo
• The duo split up as Dick ends up joining Batman while Jason joins the Red Hood gang
Revealed at #AnnecyFestival