Nathan Roszman

servant of Jesus Christ • lover of wisdom • man

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

1.All change presupposes time (before the change, and after).
2.Creation is a kind of change.
3.If God created time, He would be causing a change.
4.Creating time presupposes the existence of time.
5.Therefore, time is not the kind of thing that can be created.

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@AleMartnezR1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." (Heb 11:3)

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@AmosKissel @AleMartnezR1 @MartinTweats @LyingWrongAgain @CatholicCo200 @Rome2147 @limitandmind @lamelaza7_ @Truthseeker_562 I've often wished that "square circle" was not the standard go to for an example of logical impossibility. I can imagine taking a 4x4 piece of lumber etc. and bending it until the ends meet.

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@AleMartnezR1 @MartinTweats @LyingWrongAgain @CatholicCo200 @Rome2147 @limitandmind @lamelaza7_ @Truthseeker_562 I already accept the conclusion on other grounds, but I'm skeptical of premise 5.

If you could make a persuasive case for premise 5, I would promote this argument. 👍

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@SwordMasterPub @swamthetiber25 I have not yet seen a definition of "cult" which does not implicate Jesus and His apostles.

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@icarus62 @MartinTweats @LyingWrongAgain @RobertGKepes @AleMartnezR1 @CatholicCo200 @lamelaza7_ @pfitzart @JockoBocko3 @salsoleto @Ben_Jobe85 @Truthseeker_562 Alone.

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@LyingWrongAgain @AleMartnezR1 @MartinTweats @CatholicCo200 @lamelaza7_ @pfitzart @JockoBocko3 @salsoleto @Ben_Jobe85 @Truthseeker_562 Isn't this just begging the question about whether the laws of physics derive from a mind?

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@RobertGKepes @MartinTweats @AleMartnezR1 @CatholicCo200 @LyingWrongAgain @lamelaza7_ @pfitzart @JockoBocko3 @salsoleto @Ben_Jobe85 @Truthseeker_562 That doesn't necessarily mean it is a false belief. My own consciousness is an unfalsifiable belief, yet I am fully justified in holding it to be true.

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@Robbservations2 @AleMartnezR1 @CatholicCo200 @MartinTweats @LyingWrongAgain @lamelaza7_ @pfitzart @JockoBocko3 @salsoleto @Ben_Jobe85 @Truthseeker_562 Would you grant that an argument demonstrating that a mind must be the cause of the material universe, would constitute demonstrating that a mind can exist apart from a material brain?

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@USCTrojansFTFO @AleMartnezR1 @CatholicCo200 @MartinTweats @LyingWrongAgain @lamelaza7_ @pfitzart @JockoBocko3 @salsoleto @Ben_Jobe85 @Truthseeker_562 I see. So the syllogism is as follows:

1) If I could demonstrate a position to be true, then I would already have given you a convincing argument for it.

2) I have not already given you a convincing argument for those positions.

3) Therefore, I am unable to demonstrate them.

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@USCTrojansFTFO @AleMartnezR1 @CatholicCo200 @MartinTweats @LyingWrongAgain @lamelaza7_ @pfitzart @JockoBocko3 @salsoleto @Ben_Jobe85 @Truthseeker_562 "Presupposing" means supposing beforehand. What is it that you think my supposition is prior to, proving to you, proving to myself, sufficient reason?

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@Robbservations2 @AleMartnezR1 @CatholicCo200 @MartinTweats @LyingWrongAgain @lamelaza7_ @pfitzart @JockoBocko3 @salsoleto @Ben_Jobe85 @Truthseeker_562 The OP, if you accept its conclusion, does exactly that.

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@USCTrojansFTFO @AleMartnezR1 @CatholicCo200 @MartinTweats @LyingWrongAgain @lamelaza7_ @pfitzart @JockoBocko3 @salsoleto @Ben_Jobe85 @Truthseeker_562 The most direct way to discover someone's intentions is to ask them. I could develop arguments for the motivation behind creating the universe based on its properties, but the Creator has already made known His intentions through the Bible; i.e, to have meaningful relationships.

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@USCTrojansFTFO @AleMartnezR1 @CatholicCo200 @MartinTweats @LyingWrongAgain @lamelaza7_ @pfitzart @JockoBocko3 @salsoleto @Ben_Jobe85 @Truthseeker_562 One could argue that because the universe had a beginning, it was brought into being by something eternal. And in order for the eternal to cause something to begin at a certain time and not earlier, the eternal must do it by choice, (on purpose).

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@nanbyz @Catholic_bro Sure, i'll own that.

"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" (Acts 24:14)

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@DPGBehler @rootcausesleuth @SwordMasterPub I appreciate much of what @SwordMasterPub posts, and I like many things about the Church of Christ, but I think they, as well as all christians need to be open to well reasoned objections to our interpretation of Scripture.

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@SwordMasterPub @rootcausesleuth @DPGBehler "I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting." (1Tim 2:8)

The N.T. specifies that men should pray with lifted hands. I don't know of any passage that authorizes Christian men to pray with their hands down.
Picking and choosing.

[G. K. Chesterton @GKCdaily]

Neo-Pagans have sometimes forgotten, when they set out to do everything that the old pagans did, that the final thing the old pagans did was to get christened.

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@kepilar77 @MartinTweats @AleMartnezR1 @Remithephilguy @AristotleRevolt @CatholicCo200 @lamelaza7_ @LyingWrongAgain @Ben_Jobe85 @pfitzart @sakalbu Yes, that kind of evidence exists to the same degree that logical implication or numbers exist; mentally.

[Nathan Roszman @NathanRoszman]

@tokolosh1961 @pfitzart @AleMartnezR1 @Remithephilguy @AristotleRevolt @MartinTweats @CatholicCo200 @lamelaza7_ @LyingWrongAgain @Ben_Jobe85 @sakalbu How many decimals would the Bible need to give for you to consider it accurate? Any statement of the value of π that fits in a book is going to be approximate.