first in my bloodline to read Main Brain Artery instead of Carotids or Vertebral Basilar System from somebody who apparently is the science lead at @temple
is desh ya khuda Hafiz hai
@Abhinov_v@shrink_ing@SatyamZode You idiot there is clear tweet of his where he says he has “discovered�� a new biomarker called Entropy
Now do you know what is a biomarker?
@venkat_fin9 What a ragebait post this is🤣
People here are not discouraging innovation, they are discouraging scam which the ones boot your licking are tryna do
I genuinely admire The Liver Doc for calling out the scientific claims behind Temple. We need more clinicians willing to challenge pseudoscience, irrespective of how powerful or successful the entrepreneur is.
But the fascinating part of this controversy is the Indian market.
We live in a country where even the wealthiest, most educated and intellectually accomplished people routinely fall for false claims of pseudoscience and alternative medicine.
Now combine that gullibility with Deepinder Goyal’s extraordinary entrepreneurial track record, Eternal’s marketing and distribution muscle, and the persistence that built Zomato.
What could possibly go wrong?
I suspect Temple will be a commercial success, irrespective of whether its scientific claims eventually stand up to scrutiny (absolutely rubbish stuff as of now :)
Perhaps Temple is not just a health device. It could become a status symbol — a rather expensive way of saying:
“I don’t need to listen to doctors. I have money, I have technology, and I can afford to ignore evidence.”
In India (or in many parts of rich world), perhaps the ultimate wellness flex isn’t living longer, but being able to afford increasingly sophisticated ways of ignoring science.
Temple might just become the ultimate status symbol for the affluent wellness-sceptic 😂
@spinesurgeon@aditya_gan3500@theliverdoc@Dr_Blackjack
Rs 85,000 for Temple. What does an ordinary person actually get?
@deepigoyal, here are the questions a buyer would ask. I'm a doctor with 30+ years of practice, and I'd like straight answers.
1. What do I do with the numbers? Say my BrainFlow is low today. Or my Span is 40. What exactly should I do tomorrow? Sleep more? Exercise less or more? See a doctor? I can't find a single actionable on your site, in your studies or in your "foundational research."
2. Why should I care about Span and Entropy? Your homepage says Span shows "how well your body is doing across a wide range of systems." Medicine has no such single number. Entropy and Span are Temple's own scores. The papers you cite for them are a hypothesis paper and an 11-man cycling study. I found no study showing that tracking or improving these numbers extends healthspan or lifespan.
3. Is this a breakthrough in longevity? Not on the evidence shown. Your studies on BrainFlow, still "in peer review," tested healthy young people in short posture and exercise tests. It's an interesting start. It isn't a proven health or lifespan tool, and your own research page says associations don't show that raising brain flow prolongs life.
4. What does the contract say? Your terms say it's not a medical device and that Temple makes no representation about the validity, accuracy or reliability of its data. Use is at the buyer's risk. Big promise in the marketing, none in the fine print.
5. What if I'm unhappy? You say returns are 14-day, no-questions-asked. The terms say: reason and proof required, refund may be partial after inspection, shipping and taxes non-refundable, decisions final, and legal action against "invalid" claims.
6. What else gives me heart rate and recovery? Any decent watch does.
A BP monitor, the right blood tests and a good watch cost a fraction of this.
What actually protects the brain and extends healthy life is known for years, cheap and needs no sensor: exercise, sleep, BP and sugar control, social connection, learning new things.
Early-stage science is fine.
But please tell buyers plainly, on the product page: "This device can't tell you whether you are healthy or ill, and no study yet shows it helps you live longer or better."
Mocking doctors won't answer these questions. A clear product page will.
@deepigoyal This is so stupid and pointless, when the blood flow to the brain is autoregulated meaning it does not increase or decrease to such extents where it matters
In fact we even have mechanisms and reflexes just for this like Last Ditch Stand
So yeah its a sham device
@Zanamavir Welcome to India, we are doomed beyond now and Funnier thing is Govt is supportive of this BS of Alternate Med, where this Idiots are not even practising their science
general people would be cooked to know that in majority of hospitals outside tier 1 in India, they are being treated by such jholachaps, and yes they even work in ICUs.
OPDs main to maa behen karke rakhi hai logu ko
Good thing is people deserve it, they vote for anpad politicians