@BCC79@darwintojesus If morality doesn't have an objective source, then that's not wrong. I believe it is and have the objective moral truth to criticize it against. On what bases is it wrong if there is no objective morality?
That's never what I said. That is what you said. That's why it's a tell. You're not arguing with me, but with your own preconceived notions that I didn't mention. That's why I say you believe in God, because your mad at Him. If you weren't you could respond only to what I said and do the math. Instead you're trying to maintain your ignorance, so you don't have to accept the implications.
That's a tell. I said either morality exist and has an objective source, which would inherently be God. You then start talking about a maniac and schoolyard bully. You can't even make moral judgments about God if there isn't one, because there would be no source of morality. Being mad at God for your personal understanding of Him is not the same as morality not existing in reality. You believe morality exist or you couldn't be so morally offended at your understanding of who God is.
If it does not have an objective source, then there isn't actually a moral reality, so it must be objective to be a reality (i.e., actual). Otherwise it can be ignored, which makes all things (e.g., heinous acts towards children) not "actually" wrong. That's why I said maintain ignorance, accept this fact and acknowledge that objective source is God, or see it and deny it, which makes one a psychopath (as all things are permissible, a horrifying statement when one considers the worst atrocities).
If you refuse to believe that morality is an objective reality, then you can ignore it (i.e., become a psychpath). If you believe it is a reality, then the source of that morality is the true God. If you think either is where you land, then you're remaining ignorant.
(Side note: Yes, it's ubiquitous, because it's part of natural law, which is God's law that He puts into every person, so that they can discern His moral reality.)
@BretWeinstein The necessity demands the acceptance, even the surrender of yourself to the transcendent truth, regardless of what that means. The imposition is clear, and you have to start somewhere.
@AnneOfTheBooks@caesar_beaver The newer version is on Amazon, but you can get the older version from the APA. I saw it when I ordered a 1928 Book of Common Prayer from them.
@DOMA_Misconduct The thing people miss is that once you decide to do anything clearly against the warrant of scripture, then other scripture will also need to be passed over. It's a guardrail and once your in the other side of it you're already off the road.
See, outside of the revivalist and restorationist, I see the opposite. Although, I have seen both in the past. It may be that we notice those critical of its not than those who disagree in silence. For example, in our justifications were one of the highest. Most of the things you listed we do, but not all. A few years ago there was some kerfuffle over some of what we do, but it passed. Usually I see disagreement, not hatred. I believe deeply that we'd all get much farther expressing what is good about our own traditions and practices, than what is bad about other people's.