Justin

I believe.

[Justin @notjay2u]

@noahsailings Sure lol

[Justin @notjay2u]

You guys coddle Will which is why you guys whine and throw tantrums when anyone says anything bad about him. Mike got most of the blame for the rain scene in S3, even though Will called his girlfriend stupid and Mike defended her. Will didn't get nearly as much hate as Mike.

[noorie · ݁𑣲⋆ @wsrngr]

Because Will gets criticised all the fucking time. Gets called slurs and other things gets blamed on him, when Mike most of the time is the real reason shit happens. Mike never gets repercussions, not even in universe. Everyone else does, he is coddled till the last episode.

[⃟ @dovechae]

good.

[Justin @notjay2u]

@sorcererakgae You're a byler talking about delusion. I'll leave that there.

Just because they apologized doesn't mean anything from the outside looking in. Did Will apologize to Mike for calling El stupid? No, but sometimes you have to be the bigger person to fix things.

[Justin @notjay2u]

Mike literally went to the movies with them in the first episode of S3. He was separated from El for a year, yeah he wants to spend time with her. Mike wasn't homophobic and Mike wasn't obligated to play D&D and neither was Lucas.

[lilu 💡 @sorcererakgae]

maybe dont be a horrible friend who ditches all his friends the whole summer to make out with his gf, will had every right to call them out. and calling someone stupid is not even close to being on the same level as being homophobic, but hey that’s just my opinion

[Justin @notjay2u]

I'll stop discussing a worldwide show because @dovechae said so.

[⃟ @dovechae]

No

[Justin @notjay2u]

I'm not policing how people feel about what Mike said. The only reason I'm saying all of this is because Will's stans replied to me first because they were mad about what I said. So who's doing the policing here?

[buny @kittykyann]

…Okay, this will be my last tweet engaging with you, respectfully. You’re conflating explanation, justification, and absolution as the same thing. Mike not knowing Will was gay is fine, I accept that. But you’re justifying and absolving him of what he said.

[Justin @notjay2u]

@wisecorlit I don't think he thought Will would be "unromantic" forever but from Mike's perspective it felt unfair for Will to call his girlfriend stupid just because the rest of the boys had different priorities at the time than playing a game.

[Justin @notjay2u]

I haven't watered down anything about Will's experience overall in Stranger Things. I'm critiquing a scene in this show. You're literally basically asking me to not discuss a scene in a show that millions of other people have in this fandom because they don't like what I'm saying

[⊹₊˚‧ Anjie seeing Cortis ‧˚₊⊹ @wisecorlit]

No offense but if you’re cishet, as allies we need to step out of discourse regarding queer experiences

[Justin @notjay2u]

@sorcererakgae Nah they don't but you must've ran out of arguments if you had to say this lol.

[Justin @notjay2u]

No? I'll talk about him just like I talk about all the other characters in the show.

[⃟ @dovechae]

so STOP talking about will

[Justin @notjay2u]

@wisecorlit Mike wasn't thinking of it the same way his bullies were. If Mike knew Will was gay and still said that then that's the only way I could see this argument.

[Justin @notjay2u]

He wasn't. Maybe don't go around calling people's girlfriends stupid, but hey that's just my opinion.

[lilu 💡 @sorcererakgae]

“Mike got most of the blame for the rain scene in S3” well duh, why wouldn’t he when he was the problem ?

[Justin @notjay2u]

Now I'm a Mike stan because I won't baby Will like his stans. Insane lol.

[lilu 💡 @sorcererakgae]

but when I say I hate mike stans, I’m the bad guy 💀

[Justin @notjay2u]

He wasn't using that aspect as in "You don't like girls literally", he just meant he wasn't matured yet at that stage. Comparing what Troy meant when he made actual homophobic remarks to what Mike meant when he said something that's not even inherently homophobic are different.

[buny @kittykyann]

The point you’ve continued to miss time & time again is that regardless of Mike “knowing” or “not knowing” is that it was still unfair of him to use an aspect of his friend that he was already being made fun of and bullied.

[n @milevenhaven]

El Ives:

[1Reed_ @Limmuo]

mileven 💯

[Justin @notjay2u]

You're the only one being obtuse along with everyone else who says this. He wasn't even thinking about what people said to Will in the past because that's not why HE was saying it, which is why it's not homophobic. It's not that hard to understand.

[buny @kittykyann]

the reason why (even if he wasn’t being intentionally homophobic) using a sore spot as ammunition, isn’t okay, you still refuse to understand. At this point, let us just agree to disagree because I feel like you’re acting dense/obtuse intentionally.

[Justin @notjay2u]

Yeah? Saying something isn't justified just means there isn't an excuse for it. The same way I don't justify what Mike said about girls in the basement. Mike did not know he was gay so what he said wasn't homophobic. You guys don't understand that.

[buny @kittykyann]

You literally said that what Will said will never be justified and in the same breath make excuses about a character who was willing to use a deeply personal aspect of a person’s identity to hurt them in the moment. At this point, with already so many people explaining to you

[Justin @notjay2u]

And that tweet was wrong. Mike didn't know he was gay, and he said it because he thought Will wasn't at the stage the rest of the boys were at. That's literally it.

[buny @kittykyann]

Mike isn’t inherently homophobic, but we’re not about to excuse him weaponizing a vulnerable part of someone’s identity knowing said person is getting called slurs? Another tweet already said what’s wrong with your argument 🤷

[Justin @notjay2u]

I literally never mention Will calling El stupid ever. I only bring it up when his stans want to say he's perfect and has never done anything wrong. Otherwise I literally never talk about it. But apparently I don't give grace to will.

[buny @kittykyann]

you’re giving Mike grace for his disingenuous comments but you’re not giving will the same. that’s just not being objective. I can agree that what Will said was bad with knowing the context behind it. But it’s quite clear that you can’t hold Mike to the same standard 🤷