North Yorkshire Birder

Passionate birder from't Dales

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@jonnygill3 @AndrewGilruth The problem is, they were designated their National Park, AONB, SSSI, SPA, SAC etc status' under their current management, with their current array of wildlife (generally ground nesting birds and dwarf shrub vegetation). If we are to change that, all the designations need to go.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SmalePerry @ScarecrowNeste1 Well if they weren't allowed to show off their 'trophy' photos, they would maybe be less inclined to disturb the birds. You're probably right though!

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@jdpoc @essexwindyfarm Yes, maybe someone could set up a company called CF Fertilisers UK and open a plant at Billingham. As long as the Government dont ruin it with their carbon taxes and ridiculously high energy prices, they'll make a fortune!

[Rob Stonehouse @gatesheadandbey]

Just a few feet to the left of these toggers is an active Long-eared Owl nest. Taken in Gateshead this morning, but this is a snapshot of constant pressure. What are these morons getting from this and can anything be done to get it stopped? @BirdGuides @RareBirdAlertUK

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

I'm sure the pheasant chicks would understand that they dont deserve protection from disturbance because they have only been here a few hundred years.

[Karen B 🥀🇪🇺 🇺🇦💜🤍💚KarenB@KBGreyhoundLady @KBGreyhoundlady]

@MoorlandAssoc I would be bothered by disturbance of native birds. Not pheasants though. They don’t belong here. They are factory farmed & released to be shot

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SteB777 @Oknowuk @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper No it doesn't Stephen. You cant link a scientific report, then add your own views like 'most' and 'almost universal' when it doesnt state that in the report.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SteB777 @Oknowuk @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper But it doesnt say 'most' does it? Which is quite important when you're talking about evidence.

Unlike some, I am willing to look at the good and the bad that grouse shooting estates offer without blind prejudice.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@Oknowuk @SteB777 @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper I dont think any studies have been that detailed. Although going back to your joke about releasing mice... mice (and day old chicks) were used as diversionary feed for nesting HH in Defra's brood management trial.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SteB777 @Oknowuk @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper I have insulted nobody personally. If the cap fits, then so be it.
But restricting your threads to followers only will create an echo chamber. If that's what you want, go for it, but it wont save the Curlew.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SteB777 @Oknowuk @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper Yes, I accept that raptor persecution is a problem effecting HH. I dont know if i can agree with "most managed grouse moors".
I'm not sure what this has to do with Curlew conservation though??

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SteB777 @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper So I assume (as we are constantly told) the side with no sheep has lots of shrubland and is returning to woodland?
What false arguements have I used?
I am merely stating my decades of experience, linked with the only available scientific studies.
Im open to be shown otherwise.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@pete_ar_fryn @TonyJuniper I agree, all aspects that are effecting Curlew productivity (lack of) need addressing.
In your area, what is the study showing as the main reason for lack of fledging? Is it lack of insects for chicks?

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SteB777 @Oknowuk @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper As expected, you dont like the evidence (the only evidence of its kind, which many conservation orgs have refused to replicate) that has been presented.
Regardless of your views on GWCT, the evidence is undeniable, but you, like many others, will be the reason Curlew go extinct.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SteB777 @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper Are the fences not to keep the sheep in?
I dont think i know of a single grouse estate that excludes sheep (apart from specific areas short term).
The GWCT upland predation project proved what predator control does for waders, 10 years on, with no predator control, huge declines.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SteB777 @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper Sorry Stephen but we have very differing experiences. In my experience you get the highest densities of Curlew on the fringe ground, which is where the most sheep are. To say there arent many sheep on grouse estates is just not true. Many of them NEED high numbers of sheep.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@Oknowuk @SteB777 @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper 2/For anyone without working eyes, or who want 'scientific' evidence, the GWCT Otterburn project had control areas. But i understand for many, this is unbiased and not scientific enough, so we'll just have to watch the curlew go extinct in areas instead 🤷‍♂️
https://t.co/9YrwBHsvF9

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@Oknowuk @SteB777 @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper 1/ Sorry i misread your question. On a broad, unscientific, scale, anyone with a set of eyes and 2 brain cells can see that on the grouse estates Curlew are doing well, yet on the same habitat, with the same farming practices, but no predator control, they are not doing so well.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@Oknowuk @SteB777 @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper Mainly grouse shooting estates

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SteB777 @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper Secondly, if the 'grouse moor' method that is working to sustain Curlew populations is the wrong way to do it, which is the right way? And i am talking an actual real life example, not a concept or idea.

[North Yorkshire Birder @NYorks_Birder]

@SteB777 @GreenJennyJones @TonyJuniper Hi Stephen, in your opinion why are Curlew doing so well in areas with moorland fringe habitat where there is strict predator control practiced (yorkshire dales) compared to areas where there is the same moorland fringe habitat and no predator control (lakes, welsh uplands etc)?