Orian

[Orian @orianpax47]

It would seem Christ and the apostles disagree with you

[Mrs Millicent: Whimsy mode ✝️♿ 🏳️‍🌈 @MillieCheesey]

Im a Christian, my fiancée is a Christian, we're getting married before God in a Christian church next week

and I plan on fingerblasting her into subspace in a Christian way tonight.

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Galactic_1225 @ScubaMySteve @PartialProbosc Also do you really want to go to the logical conclusion of an Atheistic and Naturalist morality where the function of life exists solely to survive long enough to reproduce?

Because that truth claim cannot ground any law or morality

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Galactic_1225 @ScubaMySteve @PartialProbosc I hold to the truth claim that there is a God who supplys moral law and human rights.
The founding fathers held to such a truth claim when they wrote the founding documents.
My claim is that the United States is not for people who reject God-given rights.
Like John Adams said:

[Orian @orianpax47]

@ScubaMySteve @PartialProbosc The United States fundamentally enshrines rights as God-given and if you belive otherwise then the nation and privileges from living within it are not for you.

[Orian @orianpax47]

@E_pon_Egg @SmashAssemble Not to mention a clip from the film where NEST operate as a Cybertronian immigration enforcement, and has Prime state the autobots would respect the Presidents decision to revoke the Autobots asylum status only questioning it because of the decepticon threat.

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal Anyways man its late, and its been entertaining

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal DotM showed that even if the autobots left the decepticons would still try to take earth and that film would have ended with earth practically destoryed from Cybertron being pulled into orbit. Proving Prime's point in RotF of "What if we leave, and you're wrong."

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal Gen1 would have been known about since the pilot between the oil rig and dam, and STAS superman was very open about being kryptonian when he first appeared, more often than not they are open with some government official which ends in some form of toleration

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal No, this hypothetical would most likely fall under first contact protocols over immigration laws.

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal Yes and there isnt any legal precedent for the legal status for aliens landing on earth because its not real, hence suspending disbelief in this instance

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal Not to mention the fact that every other extraterrestrial lands on earth story has thr government investigating and/or experimenting on said alien to understand whats going on

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal -lands on earth and assimilates trope, ie Superman and Martian Manhunter, don't work as allegories for the current immigration debate because they require the suspension of disbelief for items like Visas, passports, birth certificates and other travel documents.

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal Actually itd be nonexistent as they came to retrieve the All Spark and return home with it.

Immigration is the traveling to another country for the purpose of establishing a new permanent residence.

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal Also in the ten seconds prior to this clip it is stated the autobots had Asylum status

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal Well no. Even in RotF Prime was willing to leave at the presidents request.
https://t.co/aphKWenZWW
Also they came in the 2007 film to recover the All Spark to rebuild their home and chose to stay with US approval, but if megatron got the cube Earth would be conquered regardless

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal AoE, as awful as that film is, would also have ended up with Earth under Galvatron's control if the autobots werent there.

The only reason they were being killed was that God awful transformuim plot because TLK showed they started detention centers for decepticons to hold them.

[Orian @orianpax47]

@orianpax47 @Cosmmortal The same auto bots that were hunted and told to leave the planet several times and in AoE they ran and hid from American authorities after refusing to comply with our wishes?

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal -own gain and in some cases kill or enslave humanity.

One side assimilates into humanity and is contritious about dragging humanity in to their war whereas the other could not care less.

Its not 1:1 but there are enough distinctions

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal Yes but every continuity has the autobots learning to assimilate with human culture and many have them aware of the war brought to the humans, its their fault and now their duty. If the autobots arent there, the decepticons will completely strip earth of its resources for their-

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal In many continuities the autobots assimilate and adopt values from the humans, which is the immigration nations should want in general, as opposed to the deception seeking to benefit from the human societies while actively detest or refusing to assimilate culturally

[Orian @orianpax47]

@Atom128312 @Cosmmortal -hunting decepticons hiding on earth, DotM shows the consequence of removing said protective force because evil people will act far easier when there is no enforcement against, and Animated has the autobots quickly assimilate into emergency services and assist on the regular