The Catholic norms around sacred art are demonstrably more ancient than the Orthodox norms. Both in style and in praxis.
Orthodox norms were mostly developed after the second iconoclasm in the 9th century.
@KalaDeeDee@catvon0 Looks more Catholic than Byzantine. And earlier art looks even more Catholic. The Byzantine style started to develop in the 7th century and became standard in the East during the 9th century. Catholics have had both. Both are nice.
Literally the oldest piece of art ever described is in Eusebius of Caesarea and it was a statue - this goes back to the time of Christ according to Eusebius. All the early art clearly is an attempt to capture three dimensions and the Orthodox 2D style of the Byzantines isn't really seen until the 8th or 9th century.
You can pray anywhere as long as you are praying to God and not some other god. That is not apostasy. You have no idea what you are talking about.
And it is so funny that you are like "all our patriarchs could apostatize and we would be fine." Okay bro. Find a church father that says that every patriarch could apostatize and it wouldn't be a problem. I will wait. This is pure Protestantism.
Pope Honorius never promulgated heresy. And it is questionable whether the matter of discipline decided by the council was correct (councils can error on matters of discipline). St. Agatho and St Maximus the Confessor both defended him.
@catvon0 Besides St. Augustine, Saints are St. Agatho, St. Theodore of Canterbury, and Bede the Venerable all affirmed the Filoque. St. Maximus the Confessor said it was consistent with Orthodoxy. And the Entire Orthodox Church affirmed it at the Council of Florence.
@catvon0 According to the Formula of Hormisdas (6th century) which was signed by all Eastern Bishops, if Rome were to cease to be immaculate, it would show that the promises of Christ are false.
@catvon0@danielthepapist Listen, everything Vatican II says is perfectly consistent with historic church teaching. If your claim is that because it "esteems" other people it is somehow a break from history, you are going to have to deal with a lot of your own saints who had nice salutations to muslims.
I love how you move the goal post. Many Saints affirmed the Filioque in their writings. And even those who do not like St. Maximus the Confessor have no problem with those that do not. Obviously the Creed as it was initially drafted did not include the phrase but that doesn't mean the phrase is heretical. That doesn't follow. The Orthodox agreed to the Filioque at the Council of Florence.
The view that Muslims have a wrong (heretical) view of the same God is the historic view. It was held by every saint prior to the Protestant Reformation including St. John Damascene. The first time I know of in history that it was claimed to be a completely different god (rather than a heretical view of the same God) is the Protestant Reformation. All of your Patriarchs agree with Catholics that it is a heretical view of the same God by the way. Why Ortho Bros want to adopt a Protestant view to "own the catholics" I have no idea.
@catvon0@danielthepapist Gish galluping now? If you read Vatican II carefully, it is perfectly Orthodox and historic and reflects what the church always taught.
Here is a video of your EP handing out Korans and calling them holy.