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[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

@undercleavage I appreciate your insight here; you are correct that the advanced stats you provided are more useful than the ones I used. I just used the basic ones that StatHead provides in their normal player comparison menu, but I definitely could have dug deeper

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Jayson Tatum vs. Jaylen Brown REGULAR SEASON Career Advanced Stats:

Jayson Tatum Jaylen Brown
28.6% — Usage Percentage — 27.8%
68.8 ——— Win Shares ——— 48.4
36.5 — Offensive Win Shares — 20.0
32.3 — Defensive Win Shares — 28.4
.157 — Win Shares Per 48 Min — .109
3.8 ——— Box Plus/Minus ——— 0.7
3.2 — Offensive Box Plus/Minus — 0.9
0.6 — Defensive Box Plus/Minus — -0.2
30.7 ————— VORP ————— 14.3
10.5% — Turnover Percentage — 11.5
18.6% —— Assist Percentage —— 15.5%
20.3 — Player Efficiency Rating — 17.5

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

Tatum has been a better player than Brown quite literally every single season they’ve played together:

• 2017-2018
- Tatum: 13.9 PPG, 5 RPG, 1.6 APG, 47.5% FG, 43% 3PT
- Brown: 14.5 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 1.6 APG, 46.5% FG, 39.5% 3PT

• 2018-2019
- Tatum: 15.7 PPG, 6 RPG, 2.1 APG, 45% FG, 37.3% 3PT
- Brown: 13 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 1.4 APG, 46.5% FG, 34.4% 3PT

• 2019-2020
- Tatum: 23.4 PPG, 7 RPG, 3 APG, 45% FG, 40.3% 3PT (All-NBA 3rd Team)
Brown: 20.3 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 2.1 APG, 48.1% FG, 38.2% 3PT

• 2020-2021
- Tatum: 26.4 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 4.3 APG, 45.9% FG, 38.6% 3PT
- Brown: 24.7 PPG, 6 RPG, 3.4 APG, 48.4% FG, 39.7% 3PT

• 2021-2022
- Tatum: 26.9 PPG, 8 RPG, 4.4 APG, 45.3% FG, 35.3% 3PT (All-NBA 1st Team)
- Brown: 23.6 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 3.5 APG, 47.3% FG, 35.8% 3PT

• 2022-2023
- Tatum: 30.1 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 46.6% FG, 35% 3PT (All-NBA 1st Team)
- Brown: 26.6 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 3.5 APG, 49.1% FG, 33.5% 3PT (All-NBA 2nd Team)

• 2023-2024
- Tatum: 26.9 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 4.9 APG, 47.1% FG, 37.6% 3PT (All-NBA 1st Team)
- Brown: 23 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 3.6 APG, 49.9% FG, 35.4% 3PT

• 2024-2025:
- Tatum: 26.8 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 6 APG, 45.2% FG, 34.3% 3PT (All-NBA 1st Team)
- Brown: 22.2 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.5 APG, 46.3% FG, 32.4% 3PT

This narrative that Brown has always been better is nonsense.

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

@undercleavage Fair

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

@undercleavage Then go find the good stats and make a post about it

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

@undercleavage These are literally defined as advanced stats lol

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@tweeeetoe @Rusty_Betts1 I guess Iguodala is better than Curry then

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

@RoslindaleMike @jayshivers11 @theswine15 Brown has never finished 2nd in MVP voting though. He finished 6th last year and that was the only time he’s ever made the list. Tatum finished 4th in MVP voting twice, 6th twice, and 12th once.

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

Tatum has been a better player than Brown quite literally every single season they’ve played together:

• 2017-2018
- Tatum: 13.9 PPG, 5 RPG, 1.6 APG, 47.5% FG, 43% 3PT
- Brown: 14.5 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 1.6 APG, 46.5% FG, 39.5% 3PT

• 2018-2019
- Tatum: 15.7 PPG, 6 RPG, 2.1 APG, 45% FG, 37.3% 3PT
- Brown: 13 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 1.4 APG, 46.5% FG, 34.4% 3PT

• 2019-2020
- Tatum: 23.4 PPG, 7 RPG, 3 APG, 45% FG, 40.3% 3PT (All-NBA 3rd Team)
Brown: 20.3 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 2.1 APG, 48.1% FG, 38.2% 3PT

• 2020-2021
- Tatum: 26.4 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 4.3 APG, 45.9% FG, 38.6% 3PT
- Brown: 24.7 PPG, 6 RPG, 3.4 APG, 48.4% FG, 39.7% 3PT

• 2021-2022
- Tatum: 26.9 PPG, 8 RPG, 4.4 APG, 45.3% FG, 35.3% 3PT (All-NBA 1st Team)
- Brown: 23.6 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 3.5 APG, 47.3% FG, 35.8% 3PT

• 2022-2023
- Tatum: 30.1 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 46.6% FG, 35% 3PT (All-NBA 1st Team)
- Brown: 26.6 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 3.5 APG, 49.1% FG, 33.5% 3PT (All-NBA 2nd Team)

• 2023-2024
- Tatum: 26.9 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 4.9 APG, 47.1% FG, 37.6% 3PT (All-NBA 1st Team)
- Brown: 23 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 3.6 APG, 49.9% FG, 35.4% 3PT

• 2024-2025:
- Tatum: 26.8 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 6 APG, 45.2% FG, 34.3% 3PT (All-NBA 1st Team)
- Brown: 22.2 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.5 APG, 46.3% FG, 32.4% 3PT

This narrative that Brown has always been better is nonsense.

[NBACentral @TheDunkCentral]

Jared Jeffries says Jaylen Brown is a top-five player in the NBA and that Jayson Tatum rushed back from his Achilles injury because he was afraid Brown would lead the Celtics to the Finals without him.

(Via @GilsArenaShow / @NBA__Courtside )

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

@Ben_Meister4 @TheNBACentel That shit got me ngl

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@LegionHoops @NBAonNBC https://t.co/dNXZ59Vje7

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Jayson Tatum vs. Jaylen Brown REGULAR SEASON Career Advanced Stats:

Jayson Tatum Jaylen Brown
28.6% — Usage Percentage — 27.8%
68.8 ——— Win Shares ——— 48.4
36.5 — Offensive Win Shares — 20.0
32.3 — Defensive Win Shares — 28.4
.157 — Win Shares Per 48 Min — .109
3.8 ——— Box Plus/Minus ——— 0.7
3.2 — Offensive Box Plus/Minus — 0.9
0.6 — Defensive Box Plus/Minus — -0.2
30.7 ————— VORP ————— 14.3
10.5% — Turnover Percentage — 11.5
18.6% —— Assist Percentage —— 15.5%
20.3 — Player Efficiency Rating — 17.5

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

VORP - Value over Replacement Player: A box score estimate of the points per 100 TEAM possessions that a player contributed above a replacement-level (-2.0) player, translated to an average team and prorated to an 82-game season.

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PLAYOFF Career Advanced Stats:

Jayson Tatum Jaylen Brown
28.2% — Usage Percentage — 26.4%
14.9 ——— Win Shares ——— 9.9
7.4 — Offensive Win Shares — 3.6
7.5 — Defensive Win Shares — 6.3
.145 — Win Shares Per 48 Min — .100
4.6 ——— Box Plus/Minus ——— 1.3
3.0 — Offensive Box Plus/Minus — 0.8
1.6 — Defensive Box Plus/Minus — 0.5
8.3 ————— VORP ————— 3.9
12.0 %— Turnover Percentage — 12.5% 22.1% —— Assist Percentage —— 13.6%
19.7 — Player Efficiency Rating — 16.5

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

I define a pure scorer as someone who can put the ball in the hoop from any spot on the floor - so yes, I would not consider Shaq a pure scorer since he can’t shoot from anywhere outside of the paint. Shaq, on the other hand, is probably the most dominant scorer of all time in the paint, though - just not a pure scorer.

More and more players are becoming “pure scorers” nowadays anyway since they are expected to be able to shoot from anywhere on the floor, whereas that was of course not the case in Shaqs era. I get why’d you question the terminology though since it’s not as clear-cut as it used to be.

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

Is Luka already one of the greatest pure scorers of all time? At just 27:

• 70+ point games — 1 (1 of 11 players)
• 60+ point games — 3 (T-6th all time)
• 50+ point games — 11 (10th all time)
• 40+ point games — 68 (13th all time)
• 30+ point games — 257 (23rd all time)

Since 1991, Luka is the fastest player to reach:
• 15k points (513 games)
• 14k points (484 games)
• 13k points (453 games)
• 12k points (419 games)
• 11k points (385 games)
• 10k points (358 games)
• 9k points (327 games)

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

Agreed that there isn’t much top talent in this class, I do think it’s very deep though. I was projecting the Ratliffs to stay in college for another year and Ezekie has been consistently climbing my rankings. My rankings are gonna change a lot since I can see a bunch of guys emerging to become the top prospect: stokes is by no means locked in there. Mullins has been impressing me as well.

I’m very high on Miikka, Ngongba & Joksimovic as well

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

My very-early 2027 NBA Big Board (Week 2):

1. Tyran Stokes (Kansas)
2. Stefan Joksimovic (Baskonia)
3. Jordan Smith Jr. (Arkansas)
4. Bruce Branch III (BYU)
5. Caleb Holt (Arizona)
6. Colben Landrew (UConn)
7. Patrick Ngongbua II (Duke)
8. Miikka Muurinen (Arkansas)
9. Motiejus Krivas (Arizona)
10. Quentin Coleman (Illinois)
11. Amari Allen (Alabama)
12. Braylon Mullins (UConn)
13. Luigi Suigo (Villanova)
14. Hugo Yimga-Moukouri (Nanterre 92)
15. Alijah Arenas (USC)
16. Anthony Thompson (Ohio State)
17. Dame Sarr (Duke)
18. Ivan Kharchenkov (Arizona)
19. JJ Andrews (Arkansas)
20. Obinna Ezekie Jr. (Louisville)

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@StephCastle__5 What do you disagree with?

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41. Alex Condon (Florida)
42. Dylan Mingo (Baylor)
43. Andrej Stojakovic (Illinois)
44. Jeremy Fears Jr. (Michigan State)
45. Kayden Mingo (Baylor)
46. Cameron Houindo (Cedevita Olimpija)
47. Tyler Tanner (Vanderbilt)
48. Davis Fogle (Gonzaga)
49. Klark Riethauser (Elan Chalon)
50. Shelton Henderson (Miami)
51. Matt Able (North Carolina)
52. Stefan Vaaks (Illinois)
53. Juke Harris (Tennessee)
54. Paul McNeil Jr. (NC State)
55. Nikolas Khamenia (UConn)
56. Cayden Boozer (Duke)
57. Daniel Jacobsen (Purdue)
58. Dash Daniels (SE Melbourne)
59. Eric Reibe (USC)
60. Silas Demary Jr. (UConn)

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21. Jason Crowe Jr. (Missouri)
22. A’mare Bynum (Ohio State)
23. Brandon McCoy Jr. (Michigan)
24. Abdou Toure (Arkansas)
25. Cameron Williams (Duke)
26. Thomas Haugh (Florida)
27. Christian Collins (USC)
28. Austin Goosby (Texas)
29. Deron Rippey Jr. (Duke)
30. Sayon Keita (North Carolina)
31. Flory Bidunga (Louisville)
32. Baba Oladotun (Maryland)
33. Milan Momcilovic (Kentucky)
34. Na’jai Hines (UConn)
35. Tounde Yessoufou (St. John’s)
36. Billy Richmond (Arkansas)
37. Trey McKenny (Michigan)
38. Malachi Moreno (Kentucky)
39. Caleb Gaskins (Miami)
40. David Markovic (Illinois)

[OT Buzzer @OTBuzzer]

@coogs443 @danhurleyuconn @TheDunkCentral @ByJayKing @TheNBABase Tatum hasn’t said anything bro. It’s literally just Jaylen crying to the media every other day about their relationship. And you’re buying into everything because you want a reason to hate on Tatum

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@AlesGlas13336 Pretty sure that’s not an invented stat

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LeBron is now the all-time leading scorer against 6 NBA franchises:

1. Bulls
2. Heat
3. Raptors
4. Hornets
5. Magic
6. Pelicans

By the end of the season, he should be the all-time leading scorer against the Nets (74 points away), Pacers (175 points away), and the Bucks (378 points away).

[Legion Hoops @LegionHoops]

LeBron is now officially the all-time leading scorer against the Bulls. Timeless.