@NavakDave@steady_drumbeat Yes, they have. The Nuremberg Trials has established the principle that individuals are direct subjects of international law. Therefore territorial cession cannot deprive the basic human rights.
@DerekPederson3 Selectively applying universal tests is itself a contradiction. This only proves that the criterion of "lead to more conflicts" is meaningless in the Palestinian question, because both sides' claims would lead to more conflicts.
@DerekPederson3 However, allowing anyone to colonise a land based on ancestral ties would also lead to more conflicts. Why do you apply a universal test to the Palestinian right of return but not to the Zionist narrative? This operation is not universal at the meta-level.
@steady_drumbeat@ozzythorne Yes it will. You have no idea of anything. “People” like you were saying that the idea of abolishing a nuclear state like apartheid South Africa was impossible.
You’re already discussing the “best” Palestinian rights to compromise over and sacrifice on the altar of Zionism
@DerekPederson3 The right of return is not symbolic, and will never be. Every individual Palestinian had the right to return to their geographical exact original location without any time limit. We will struggle until this future come true, until every Palestinian returns to their home.
@DerekPederson3 Why? Everybody has the right of return to the exact original geographical location where they were expelled from. It is not a special right, but a natural extension of personal property rights and the right to reside. No one can give it up on behalf of all people.
@StoneColdBalla@steady_drumbeat I really dislike with the postwar treatment of Germany. Nazis should be hanged or imprisoned. The remaining Germans should live freely in a clean, Nazi-free land. However, both were wrong, and terribly wrong. Nazis were pardoned and civilians were collectively punished.
@StoneColdBalla@steady_drumbeat Yes. They have the right. The postwar expulsion of East Germans was collective punishment. The Nuremberg Trials has established that individuals are direct subjects of international law, and territorial cession cannot deprive the human right of German civilians.
@steady_drumbeat@jediporkchop1 The right of return is not part of Palestinian sovereignty, but belongs to every individual Palestinian. And it does not require the endorsement of the Palestinian government. Nobody can give up it on behalf of all people.
@steady_drumbeat False. That is what westerners think it means.
Palestinians very much mean a right of return. It’s time westerners stop putting words in their mouth. Read Dr. Einat Wilf.
@steady_drumbeat Why? Everybody has the right of return to the exact original geographical location where they were expelled from. It is not a special right, but a natural extension of personal property rights and the right to reside. No one can give it up on behalf of all people.