JoNell

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@Timodc In reverse engineering, this whole debacle (report, refusal to release, the way they speak about it) confirms that the Democratic Party's OODA loop is now officially broken.

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@estherzelda0514 Why was it unfinished after 18 months? My highschooler could have done better in one month.

They had this for A YEAR in this condition and did nothing.

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@kenmartin73 You received this A YEAR AGO and with all of the resources and technology available, couldn't shape it into a basic deliverable at an 8th grade level?

That's why the DNC has no business winning elections.

You should be ashamed of your failure to the people.

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Just reviewed the autopsy report.

Confirmed: the DNC's OODA loop is officially broken.

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@liberalpuppy @the_matt “Thanks all the people in Congress over the last 50 years whose JOB it is to pass and manage budgets, especially the ones in tenure over time who have had a death grip on the levers of spending.”

FIFY

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@the_matt @liberalpuppy All those people need to go. They are not cut out for the current system and its needs.

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I never said a “well-planned” vegan diet is inherently terrible. Why would I cite evidence for something I did not assert? Don’t make hasty generalizations.

Another hasty generalization you made is assuming that eating meat requires animal exploitation and slaughterhouses. It doesn’t.

Ethically and morally superior in what framework?

Please cite something other than your personal feelings.

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@noahgittell @ingasneilevxson @envisionedluna Veganism is not sustainable or healthy. That’s problematic.

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@TheParadigmShif Not quite. Animals are not people.

Killing them to eat them is not immoral, and you have not provided any other basis for that assertion besides “muh feelz.”

Emotions are not the author of morality.

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You are using a classic correlation-does-not-equal-causation fallacy.

Most people are non-vegan and most people are unhealthy, but that does not mean eating meat or animal foods is what makes them unhealthy. The real driver is poor overall diets (lots of processed food, sugar, sedentary lifestyles) across both vegans and non-vegans.

Plenty of people follow healthy omnivorous patterns, like the Mediterranean diet, and stay in great shape long-term. Correlation alone proves nothing here.

You are also moving the goalposts by saying “veganism isn’t a diet.” Veganism is a lifestyle that includes a specific diet (no animal products).

The health discussion is about that dietary part and whether it is naturally sustainable and/or morally or ethically superior.

Dismissing the evidence on deficiencies does not make the problems go away. Healthy non-vegan diets exist and work well for most people without the extra steps or risks veganism requires.

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Good for you. Personal stories like yours show it can work for some dedicated people with monitoring and effort. That is great.

The bigger point is that one person’s success, or even a group of vegans who get regular blood tests, does not make veganism feasible or risk-free for the majority of people - especially since most people might not have access to the type of healthcare necessary to constantly monitor deficiencies and avoid certain negative health impact. Population studies still show higher rates of B12 deficiency, functional shortages, and bone health risks across vegans as a group, even with supplementation. Real-world adherence is not perfect for everyone.

Anecdotes do not override that data, and they do not make veganism morally superior to a balanced omnivorous or vegetarian diet that works more naturally for most humans. It can be a valid choice for individuals. It is not the default or ethically required option for everyone.

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@platypusWarby @UnAm3rican @cachavaa Good for you. That does not make it a morally superior diet, or feasible for the majority of people.

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Veganism does, just like every other terrible diet- regardless of eating meat. I am not arguing that eating meat magically makes your diet perfect, or even moral in itself.

I am arguing that veganism cannot be considered morally superior to any other diet, including diets that include meat, because it is deficient and leads to health issues.

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@CorrectInUS @penelopedidit2 @delnewberry5 @realBrandonGill Yeah- I don’t know if I have a rebuttal to that.

The ol’ “baffle ‘em with bullshit” strategy…

That’s hard to argue!

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@TheParadigmShif You still haven’t answered what you base your morals and ethics on.

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@_marko_gajic_ @Slasktratt2947 @PlanetOfMemes Wow, you really think people are judging you all the time for everything you do, don't you?

Have you ever had a moment around other people where you didn't even consider whether or not other people were paying attention to you?

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@ogc2025 @cachavaa Who said cow?

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You still have not answered my questions. What specific long-term data shows strict veganism works reliably for populations without supplements? What is your ethical framework, and how does it require veganism? I have answered yours. You have not provided evidence or a clear basis. Only projection.

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@CaptRonsays @TheMuppetPastor @hookskat Yet with no thought as to where such a minds could have originated. Shame, really, to go that far and not see it.