@mandalawyerin Obviously you can't be both a communist and a fascist any more than you can be a devoted Catholic and Protestant at the same time.
But in both cases they're doctrinally similar having come from the same base ideology
@mandalawyerin You're claiming Marxists like Mussolini completely inverted their ideology to adopt something totally different?
Such obvious nonsense!
They took socialism and added additional components just like many other schismatic groups gace throughout human history.
@avidseries "outlawed all (actual) socialist parties and organizations"
This is a stupid take.
In reality the Nazi's operated like many other socialist states have operated once in power... By persecuting any other groups that might challange them including ideologically close ones
@avidseries "but the party maintained a more direct role in some regulatory aspects"
Go read about Junkers or Reichswerke Hermann Göring
Characterising Nazi policy towards industry as just 'taking a more direct role in some regulatory aspects' is either incredibly disengenious or ignorant
@avidseries Absolute nonsense.
Just to deal with your first point. The Nazi's, just like the USSR and CCP, instituted state labour unions and cracked down on any attenpts by workers to independently organise.
There was no free market in reality
@leftistSTEMguy1@CapitalismMag The idiot here is you.
It's not possible for the 'workers', in practice, to own the means of production in a post industrial revolution state.
You're confusing theory with fact, it always ends up controlled by the ruling party
@moodyoldblue@IsntLifeTragic@docrussjackson How much did socialist Hugo Chavez's daughter end up being worth?
The idea that it can't have been socialism if some people become extremely rucg out of it is laughably inept.
@moodyoldblue@docrussjackson@IsntLifeTragic Why do you think the USSR and CCP plans priorotised heavy industries like steel over consumer goods to improve the quality of life for the 'workers'?
Socialism, being a totalitarian ideology, of course uses its command of the economy for military ends.
@docrussjackson@IsntLifeTragic@moodyoldblue "In the USSR there were no owners"
Not really correct. The Bolsheviks gave total state control a go and it was a total disaster and so they re introduced some private enterprise (as long as it was in line with the parties aims). The fascists learnt the lesson from their failure