Kimball Manner

Jesus first, theology second | Latter-day Saint | I seek holy envy

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

I believe the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has God’s priesthood authority.

Reconciling that with the teaching in 1 Nephi 14:10 can be difficult. It states clearly that all people belong to 1 of only 2 churches, Christ’s or the devil’s.

I do not believe all those not of my faith are of the church of the devil.

So I seek to be in unity with all people not of my faith who are part of that great Church of the Lamb.

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@CuckooSmurfing @HarmOrAccident @nicoraytruth Uh, ok how?

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@CouchDewd @stackerco It’s a good answer, appreciate it!

From what you’ve said in this thread, I believe we both serve the same spirit ultimately, even if you don’t recognize it as Christ, and despite disagreements to prescription.

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@HarmOrAccident @nicoraytruth The scenario hes positing if what if something happens to him and he’s dead and can’t raise his son. A very fair question. And the Church absolutely should step in

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@CouchDewd @stackerco It’s a hypothetical man. I hear that you don’t believe the premise. But given it were true, which would you decide?

I promise this is not a gotcha. I’m genuinely interested

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

This is the issue with a too real hypothetical lol.

My questions grants the premise: that rejecting the god “delusion” and accepting the truth “atheism” (assuming your frame) will lead to humanity’s total death. I know not what you belive, but it is a potentiality.

Would you the say we should accept the lie or the truth?

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@TeachWMrBrown @stackerco That would be the subject of the space

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@CouchDewd @stackerco Sorry jumped the gun. I’ll wait my bad

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@CouchDewd @stackerco Lol my previous self. But the more interesting one to me for you is the scaled one.

But what’s your answer to both? Individual and scaled?

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@TeachWMrBrown @stackerco I’ll do a space with you on the subject if you’re willing.
Thread convo clearly isn’t going to work between us.

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@moroni7_3 @TribeRuffner K I’m down. DM me and we’ll set up logistics.

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@mfreivald Dude come on.

We’ve literally spoken on a space and it went totally fine. I’m not employing some stupid exhaustion technique.

You’ve got to decide whether you want to scream into a void or dialogue with people.

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

Ah ok Im grasping your prior better I think. Give me one more chance. This one will feel much more real.

Imagine if believing in an imaginary being in the sky turned out to produce substantially better behavior in the masses jsut because of the nature of the human biological system.
Should that false belief be adopted?

Now scale that: let’s say that it was discovered that the theists were right abt one thing - that if the God idea was rejected by the masses, that it would lead to total death of the race due to social breakdown leading to crisis - nukes, man made virus, whatever.

Would you say that we should adopt the god delusion in that scenario?

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@mfreivald Ah yes, I forgot who I was talking to for a sec lol.

Forget abt analogies. Just make the argument without barbs or silly comparisons to frogs. Pure argument

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@mfreivald I really can’t find your description of the difference apart from analogy. It’s posible it’s buried amidst the analogy tho.

Can you pull it out and lay it out without barbs or analogy?

Also I really do want to know why the differences I asked abt don’t matter to you the same

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@CouchDewd @stackerco Lol ok let’s try it this way.

Would you suppress the truth if you knew it would lead to the death of humanity?

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

All you’ve made are assertions and analogies from what I can tell.

My questions are meant to explore more specifically what counts for you as a different Jesus - given those significant theological differences among trinitarians exist yet you don’t say they have a different Jesus.
And more importantly why that standard and how you justify it.

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@TribeRuffner @moroni7_3 I probably agree it’s more an internal question.
Labeling the endowment masonic ritual is the main issue. I think that is not accurate because it’s not the same in intent and purpose, nor near as much influenced as is alleged.

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@CaptMahonri @ben_n_jerrys_94 Y’all seriously need to repent. And no, i do not agree with John here and especially not with whatever that podcast is.

But this thread is just mean girl gossiping.

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@mfreivald Me saying “it is not” is an intentional mirror.
Because you won’t defend your position under scrutiny, you are essentially saying “it is”.

[Kimball Manner @restoredfather]

@surskitmaxxing Yes. And now apply that to your earlier posts abt LDS temple garment