@AliceNNderfold nature was there (not now, it is a sh*thole) this is why I think nature was probably scrubbed from the bible by a disconnected magisterial urban class, edited in such a way as to deligitimise 'paganistic beliefs' and give legal justification for leading an unnatural lifestyle
@AliceNNderfold america not being in it makes sense rationally, more of an issue to the believer, natural wisdom would have to be foundational in order to arise from life in that environment, even in simple language, Dune captures more insight of the desert and Herbert did not have to survive it
@SheepsBridge it's just strange to me that natural wasn't more of a focus of the Bible or God, it lacks good talk of nature as fisherman or shepherds would surely do, perhaps nature needed to be desacralized in order to dismantle 'paganism'