@swamthetiber25 TBF, modern Catholics do the same thing, disregarding early church fathers instructions and writings. Modern Catholics are just the prototype Protestants.
@Xtopher_Uzo Incorrect.
Today's Catholic Church began in 1054. Long after the canon was established.
Do you even bother researching some church history before posting?
@RushTheZeppelin@BreeSolstad Maybe so, but a moot point.
Is God omnipresent, sovereign, and over all? So why then do I still give charitably and pray for others? Because he works through others.
Christ commands both not because he is divided or insufficient but he has chosen us to consume both.
@st_iggy_@BreeSolstad Guy literally said, "certain people receive only a portion of the sacred body and abstain from the chalice, and since dividing the one mystery cannot happen without sacrilege, they must either receive the sacrament whole or be barred from it entirely."
@st_iggy_@BreeSolstad So you think if you went back and told Pope Gelasius I that the one wasn't necessary because it's already present in the bread, he wouldn't excommunicate you?
Look up "Manichaeans vs Pope Gelasius and the Eucharist"
@st_iggy_@BreeSolstad So the church was wrong for 1200 years? Because both can't be right.
And how is that reasoning different than from Prots who say it is purely symbolic. Not the result of the reasoning but the manner of the reasoning itself"Christ commands this but I will instead do this bc of x"
@DianeKamer@BreeSolstad Commands were not optional. It is a requirement.
Reading comprehension is hard friend. There is significant distinction in a requirement and antedoctal "most" and options.
@DianeKamer@BreeSolstad Tell me you can't dialogue so you insult without telling me.
I went to a Jesuit University, studied Church History and found out it wasn't modern Catholic.
"Most". I'd question that, seems antedoctal. Most Masses for me where not. And the point is it is "optional". Christ ...
@st_iggy_@BreeSolstad Everywhere. Christ commanded not because he is incomplete or unpresent but because we are insufficient. Rome went with some prot like logic in the 1200s to explain away not offering the blood.
@st_iggy_@BreeSolstad Incorrect. Don't take my word for it. Research. For 1200 years both the blood and the body were offered to the laity. One early Pope (before Rome's rebellion) even stressed the offering of the wine. Furthermore Christ explicitly commands it.
Christ is present as he is present...