Can you imagine that you have a prayer that you need God for and imagine yourself standing before the throne of God, ready to say your prayer but instead of praying the words of your prayer to God, you instead say, "Uh, excuse me Lord, but can I please talk to your mother?" ------ this is what you are doing when you pray TO Mary - you are bypassing God.
I did read what you said. You said God spoke to you and said that the Book of Mormon is true. I said He did not speak to you. You must test the spirits as the Bible states. Lots of ppl hear "voices" speaking to them and that is why the Bible says to test the spirits. We must have one source of Truth in which to measure everything against it and that is the Bible. So we should measure things spoken to us by "voices in our head" or ppl or other books - all must be measured against the Bible for Truth. And also you must measure the Book of Mormon against the Bible, not along side it but against it. The Bible warns us against another gospel, which is the Book of Mormon. That is why I mentioned North America - why would God need to give us another gospel when the original was already here?
Read Amos 2:4 - the latter part states "...because they (the Israelites) have rejected the instruction (His Word) of the Lord and have not kept his statutes (His Word). The lies that their ancestors followed have led them astray." <--- this simple verse states that the ppl strayed from God's Word and followed the lies their ancestors kept (traditions)....their ancestors kept up the lies and follow-on generations are mislead. It's HIs Word , if kept, would keep them away from lies. Tradition does not do that. Only His Word does this.
One thing when I've witnessed to others of different faiths, especially when you feel you are not making headway, is leading them to Jeremiah 29:13. I encourage them, after reading it to them, that they should just ask God to reveal to them who Jesus is. God's Word will not return void as you know and if this person truly asks, she will truly find out before it's too late. Sometimes it's the simple things that can make a difference.
Well there's this line in Ephesians 4 about not quenching the Holy Spirit. Many Christians quench Him daily, they ignore HIs leadings and can even believe wrong doctrines. My point in mentioning that is even Church Fathers full of the Holy Spirit could have been led astray in certain doctrinal areas. My whole point is that the Bible is our measure of Truth, not ppl. We should measure what we hear, learn and see biblically against the Bible.
@Xtopher_Uzo@grok so you are now relying on a bot (grok) to figure out what scripture says???? You are quenching the Holy Spirit - ask for His guidance.
It's not a matter of not trusting history - it's a matter of whether history, or church fathers or whomever else you want to trust - whether they measure up against a source of Truth. I should be able to measure what Polycarp says against the Word of God, as opposed to just trusting Poly because he knew John the Apostle.
@catholicdads_@grok Peter walked directly with Jesus but was rebuked twice that we know of. Paul rebuked Peter. Spiritual proximity does not equate to the Truth. The Israelites in the OT walked directly under God in a pillar of cloud and STILL walked away from Him.
@Xtopher_Uzo Even with the RCC being the largest non-gov donor, it's on the backs of the ppl who have donated to the church. I was referring to the massive wealth the Vatican itself has - all the artwork, etc etc. - why not liquidate some of that to help out?
Are you joking? Me eating a cracker gets me closer to God??? I pray daily to God through Jesus and have seen prayers answered on many occasions; God shows me He is listening in so any different ways; God guides me to specific ppl to talk to them about Jesus; He guides me in my walk - it is very personal when you do not quench the Spirit, but rather allow yourself to be guided by Him. Life is different that way. Consuming an article of food does not do that for me.