Saad

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako If thousands of native speakers who heard it directly from the source(Prophet Muhammad) lock it into memory simultaneously, the collective web of eyewitnesses is the validation link. And remember the Quran wasn't revealed in one day, it was revealed incrementally over 23 years

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako ur asking for an external witness to verify a public recitation. When thousands simultaneously commit the exact same words to memory on day one, that collective synchronization is the verification. You dont need a witness for a mass memorized event

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako Can you then tell me how do you establish a pristine unbroken chain?
Because I already told you we rely mainly on oral memorization so if you were to through every single Quran in the sea we would bring it back in 30 minutes lol idk how its not preserved according to you.

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako Yes, exactly just like u cant change the alphabet when millions of people have it locked in their heads from day one. Mass memorization makes systemic alteration impossible. as a cherry on top, we even hv early manuscripts dating back to the life of the Prophet as a bonus

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako ur demanding a 7th century voice recording that doesnt exist for any history. We verify it through tawatur and unbroken ijazah chains back to the Prophet Muhammad from day one.

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako hypothetically if absolute historical and spiritual proof was brought to u showing that Buddhism or any other path was the true and absolute word of God, would you actually drop ur current beliefs and submit, or is ur faith just a cultural safety blanket u defend no matter what?

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako we dont just rely on a few transmitters. we have tawatur (mass, uninterrupted transmission by thousands) and early manuscripts matching word for word today. u cant compare a book preserved by an entire community in broad daylight to a text shaped in secret monastic rooms.

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako in the end, ur free to reject the absolute truth and continue living in delusion, but thats entirely up to the individual. Trying to equate a verified, preserved revelation with a text built on anonymous authors,missing originals, and centuries of editorial tinkering is pure cope

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako Can you clarify what you mean by that? What exact kind of proof are you looking for?

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako ur judging the text by the very tradition it came to correct. Once the Quran is established as the absolute, uncorrupted word of God, it doesn't matter what early Christians or centuries of tradition thought, divine revelation corrects human history, not the other way around.

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako The preservation of the Quran relies on mainly mass oral memorization by hundreds of companions from day one, alongside immediate written records on parchment and bone during the Prophet’s life. but the main method for Quran's preservation is oral memorization

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako calling a text altered just bcz it doesn't match your version is a massive reach. The Quran isnt trying to be a photocopy of the Bible, it presents its own independent narrative and moral framework as a correction to older traditions. thats why its progressive revelation

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako It needs a pristine, unbroken chain of custody from day one not a 300 year manuscript gap, lost originals, and church councils voting on human edits. u cant lower the historical bar just to rescue a text built on centuries of unmonitored human copying, Quran fits exact criteria

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako calling the dead sea scrolls reliable is wild when they were written by an unknown sect that mainstream Judaism rejected. An old scroll from a fringe group just proves ancient splinter sects wrote things down it still leaves a 1500year gap from Moses with zero original autographs

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako how can u even prove the crucifixion? There are zero eyewitness accounts of the event. Relying on anonymous accounts written decades later isnt proof its just repeating what people heard

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako I wasnt the one walking away u were the one dodging the burden of proof and going in circles! There is no point beating my head against a wall when you refuse to provide actual evidence your book is uncorrupted, and instead start rambling about Joseph duhh

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako believing 'complete manuscripts' for the Torah when the oldest complete Hebrew Bible is from the 11th century over 1000 years after Moses u can't cry about a 300 year NT gap while sitting on a 1500 year gap. And saying the Quran 'gets Joseph wrong'

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako Name ONE non Christian historical source from the 1st century that actually confirms the resurrection. Just one. I'll wait.

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako bro really said bye after running away from the actual manuscript evidence. pointing out that the Quran corrects corrupted narratives isnt a pattern that's lit the whole point of final revelation correcting human alterations. Keep dodging the 300year gap and missing originals

[Saad @Saad153597]

@ss_reg_exp @ahsardwd @122tim1 @sneako bru r u slow? I never said the current Torah is reliable the Quran explicitly teaches it was altered. Iwas talking bout the original message the prophets actually taught. ur trying to trap a Muslim by pointing out that the Bible has corruptions, which is literally what we believe