@samued5r Also, if yr claim is going to be that ancestors of the indigenous people having migrated at some point means that a modern-era migrant has equal claim, then what are YOU, descendant of the Indo-European & Saxon migration, whining about equal migrants in Britain for, hypocrite?
@Iluvmzansi2@sandileswana Mixed race Coloured people in the Northern Cape were classified as coloured.
Damara- Nama were classified as black. They were African indeed.
@Iluvmzansi2@sandileswana When you have to use LLMs from wikipedia...lol
Mixed race Coloured people in the Northern Cape were classified as coloured.
Damara- Nama were classified as black.
@Iluvmzansi2@sandileswana When you have to use LLMs from wikipedia...lol
Mixed race Coloured people in the Northern Cape were classified as coloured.
Damara- Nama were classified as black.
@RiebvJanbeeck ๐คก Wrong. Base population for "farm murders" is rural residents on rural plots, farms & smallholdings, NOT of 32K white COMMERCIAL farmers.
Calculation method has long been debunked & you could do it with any job, whose rates would be higher than farmers
https://t.co/lxplm0tdtu
White farmers are 0.19% of the murders (50/27,000), but only 0.05% of the population (30,000/63,000,000).
Meaning white farmers are murdered at a rate 4 times the national average (0.19/0.05).
Learn per capita, properly.
@DouwDls@peeceepro@Lolita721611021 The problem is you don't know the difference between Khwe & San, ....and "khoisan", in genomics for lack of a better label, a distinct modern population of mixed people, sharing ancestors with the rest of the native African population.
@GodPenuel Strange choice of words, but yes, xhosa is an originally small name-house polity that a lot of various displaced bands of natives gathered under as large umbrella, at the then colony frontier.
https://t.co/OYrpDzZhSE
Things I've learned in 2025:
KwaXhosa is a settler colony. Most ppl who identify as Xhosa are not Xhosa ppl, but belong to different tribes that settled in that region.
The Shangane & Ndebele people are "Zulu" people who settled elsewhere, due to their leaders. SoShangane & Mzilikazi were Shaka's military generals who were sent on missions & disobeyed him.
The Xitsonga people are split into 2 groups: Shangaan & Tsonga.
AmaNdebele were split by colonial borders, with some falling into Zimbabwe & some into South Africa... but they are all one family.
Khoi San is more complicated than we were taught, and these indigenous South Africans are split into more tribes than just Khoe & San. There are Griqua, Korana, Namaqua, Gonaqua & others.
The Apartheid govt shoved everyone who was not Black, White or Indian... into "Coloured", erroneously so.
Not all Coloureds are from the mixing of races. Some are South Asian, some are indigenous African (like the Khoi San). Many of them have no White ancestry.
KwaZulu Coloureds were born of a British & Zulu mix. They speak English, not Afrikaans.
Coloureds in SA include ancestry from Ethiopia, Kenya, Mozambique, Angola, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Madagascar, Philippines, Spain, India, Holland, Germany, England, Scotland, France & other countries.
The Zulu kingdom is just over 200 years old. It is a colonial state, with Shaka of the smaller Zulu clan, forcing other clans to join the Zulus into building a consolidated kingdom.
The BaPedi are split into different groups, with different languages. Just as many so-called Xhosa people also have their own languages that neither Xhosa nor any of the other official languages.
The Colonial government split the provinces into tribal groups for ease of management, without actually understanding the different tribes within the groups.
Moshoeshoe (Lepoqo) was a self-appointed king & founder of the BaSotho kingdom of the mountains. He belonged to the Bakoena clan.
The BaSotho have a French influence in their written language & their dress-code.
Many of the South African Christian church groups wear uniform that mimic different military uniforms of the United Kingdom.
The Zulu Kings bow down to the Anglican Church, as they are British subjects & serve the British crown. Hence, being ordained by the Anglican bishop & dressing in British royal attire.
There is still so much that we don't understand about the history of the BaNtu people, the KaLanga people, the Nguni/Ngoni people, the Khwe people, & how they were disrupted by colonial forces.
I'll end here. ๐๐ฝ
@Cthulhucachoo P.S. complaining about someone calling the country "Western"...but then saying SA is "multicultural", as in a Pakistani is equally at home as a Swede, is just as ridiculous.
This is an African country that has a native SA population.
End of story.
https://t.co/6OR6kNwS6V
@RiebvJanbeeck Nice photoshoot pic of a modern droster...
But why would asking why people would give their own descendants land back based on pastoralist or agrarian way-of-life label be a good question, rather than the Europeans that stole the land & hold it.
https://t.co/5EkCeyYKi6
@RiebvJanbeeck @HenryFrancisFy1 Government & laws (rules) are about managing the affairs of the community. You don't get to decide what that is. We do.
Your field is empty land.
Pastoralism across vast land was LAND-USE.
Europeans cleared people & communities across the land.
https://t.co/T12vvPd4Qo
@RiebvJanbeeck (Apart from fact there aren't even remotely accurate population estimates for most of the 20th century, nevermind the 1600s)
Great: they've many descendants who need the living space of their pastoralist ancestors back.
Less whites than that own SA now.
https://t.co/Rm4pttCkST
@RiebvJanbeeck Also claiming "most land was empty" is dim.
That's true for all land around the world even now.
Look down when you fly. The world's whole population fits into 1 city if standing shoulder to shoulder. 0.0005% of land.
Ownership is just RESTRICTING land-use of empty land.
@RiebvJanbeeck (Apart from fact there aren't even remotely accurate population estimates for most of the 20th century, nevermind the 1600s)
Great: they've many descendants who need the living space of their pastoralist ancestors back.
Less whites than that own SA now.
https://t.co/Rm4pttCkST
Less than 1% of South Africaโs land was populated when Europeans arrived.
Anyone saying โwe want the land backโ never had the land in the first place.
The land was empty.
@RiebvJanbeeck (Apart from fact there aren't even remotely accurate population estimates for most of the 20th century, nevermind the 1600s)
Great: they've many descendants who need the living space of their pastoralist ancestors back.
Less whites than that own SA now.
https://t.co/Rm4pttCkST
@PriinceySA@samued5r@FafieHloph99456 Capacity is about seating.
It's a concert on the field.
Also unlike today's concerts, the entire stadium is filled 360, including behind the stage.
@Recon1_ZA Lol all that text & someone doesn't know how generational human offspring works.
SA natives have been an evolution of AFRICAN pygmy & proto-agrarian for MILLENNIA.
THAT is the generational native lineage stock, by the tens of millions.
https://t.co/WnYhQb1VzQ
@beekayy_m @samued5r@Knick_RSA@HistorySAZAR You're not getting the point.
These groups are composed out of khwe, xam & other groups.
So question of which dialectic, Tuu or Ba' Ntuu, is used wasn't at issue.
Ama would come to be used because Tuu was on its way to being a "dead Latin" in SA.
People and lineage continue.