There were boos and cheats chants for Man City as they beat Liverpool 3-0 in their first game since the club was found guilty of breaching Premier League financial regulations.
Sky's @RobHarris reports from Anfield where he spoke to fans from both sides.
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"This is really bad for the Premier League, and it's going to continue for a few months"
Gary Neville's immediate reaction to Man City's win over Liverpool at Anfield.
I have raised the issues Martin Samuel raises in this article. Taking everything into consideration — there is a fine line between punishing City harshly and pulling the plug on the club.
Why?
🔺The later option results in +1,000 people losing their jobs. Other clubs not getting paid the £500-800m City owes other clubs in unpaid transfer fees. Nobody getting compensated for the hundreds of millions in damages that City has caused them.
🔺City’s proposed punishment is very severe — 30 points deducted per season for 5 seasons plus European ban. But I don’t like it. It takes 5 years before we have turned a page completely. Artificial. Seasons would have alternate tables. It is a torture for City fans.
🧑⚖️I like this structure a lot better. And I would hope that more would consider it — because I am not sure many alternatives get the job done:
1. 150 points deducted in 26/27
2. 15 year ban on related party transactions (except equity investments)
3. Hefty fine
4. Life time ban for all involved executives from having functions in football or visiting any football facility in the UK
🔺But is this not way too lenient? No, it actually isn’t. This is what many miss. Below is City’s revenue split into three main categories. Matchday is £75m, PL and CL money is £210m and commercial revenue is £340m. It cannot be less than this, for a club to compete at the top. City’s Match Day revenue is tiny, 6th in the PL.
Of the £340m of City’s commercial revenue — at least £200m comes from AD sponsors. 90m comes from Puma who will tear up their contract and at best renegotiate.
If City next season in the Championship — have to sit down and negotiate new sponsorship deals with independent companies — they are never getting close to a sum of £340m. Nor are they getting £140m.
This is the beauty with punishing City with a ban of associated party transactions (called “APT”). You link the size of the sanction to the club’s ability to sell real sponsorship deals — which is where they would have been had they not cheated.
🔺If you send City to the Championship and allow APTs — they could end up competing for a title in 27/28 being one of the highest spending clubs while not breaching FFP. I think most feel that this is too lenient.
But if you ban them from making ATPs — which they clearly have shown that they cannot do in good faith — City will not be a top spending club in 27/28. They will simply be able to spend what they genuinely generate. Player sales will cover legal costs, fines and loss of revenue in the Championship — but going forward it will be fair.
Without camera footage, it's impossible to convince the insurance company of what happened!
The situation is so bizarre that you feel like if you told them about it, they'd say: Impossible, this really happened
"The stain and the stigma that has been attached to their football club is real, that's not going to go away."
Gary Neville breaks down the feeling the UK in light of the Manchester City news and how it affects fans of Manchester City.
Liverpool fans had took to the streets to give the Manchester City bus a 'hostile reception' pre-game... just for the City team bus to take the alternative route 😅
📹: Roy Keane to Micah Richards (ex 115er)
‘Liverpool were doing their BEST, what about their feelings, their emotions, their supporters travelling up and down the country spending FORTUNES.’
‘You want FAIRNESS on and off the pitch, City haven’t been fair off the pitch.’
Relegating Manchester City to the Championship simply wouldn't be enough of a deterrent.
The owners could still look back at everything they've won and feel the cheating was worth it.
The trophies need to be stripped from the record books. Otherwise, what message does that send to every other club?
It's that simple.
‘Organised and clear.’
The scale at which Manchester City ‘systematically broke Premier League Rules for nearly a decade’ is detailed in an excellent series of articles by @CWeatherspoon_.
Some lowlights below.
https://t.co/CSPAe2NQ0P
🔥 WATCH THIS: Paul Merson RAGING at Manchester City over their industrial-scale cheating, and the moments they’ve denied other teams, players and fans.
Merse is saying what a lot of fans have been feeling since the guilty verdicts. The cheating didn’t just help City. It won them the Premier League. He says there’s “absolutely no chance” they would have done it without it.
Without the ability to ignore PSR the way everyone else had to, they would have been miles off the top teams. They simply wouldn’t have been able to compete with the legitimate revenue streams the others were generating.
The players didn’t win those leagues, “them upstairs” did, by buying all the best players and building a squad no one else was allowed to match.
When Clinton Morrison tried to defend them (“they still have to go out and play, Merse”), Merson nearly exploded:
“OH COME ON! They had all the best players! They had two best players in every position and they dominated!��
Then he went further. Medals and trophies are almost irrelevant next to what actually matters. Life is about moments, and City’s ownership have taken those moments away from other people.
He pointed to Manchester United at Sunderland in 2012 — the day Aguero scored in the last seconds against QPR to clinch City’s first title, while United were left standing on the pitch at the Stadium of Light. That was at the height of the cheating.
“Life is all about moments and you’ve taken it away from other people. Them upstairs at Man City have nicked other people’s moments in life.”
Well put, @PaulMerse 👏
"Spurs ran 5km more than Man United... it's like that EVERY GAME!"
Jamie Redknapp is less than impressed with the lack of ground covered this season by Manchester United 😬
Gary Neville has just sounded the alarm at Old Trafford: the fans are turning on this Manchester United side at a frightening speed, and the boos are already ringing out.
Speaking on the Gary Neville Podcast, he says he doesn’t believe they’re directed at Michael Carrick himself, but at the players and the ownership. What United supporters refuse to tolerate is a basic lack of energy and effort:
“I don’t think the boos are against Michael Carrick for one minute but what I would say is that they’re turning quite quickly. Manchester United fans are incredibly loyal. Beyond loyal to their managers and to their players. But what they won’t accept is a lack of energy. They won’t accept a lack of effort.”
“The reality of it is, they’re not running enough. They’re not showing enough tenacity, determination, fighting spirit. They’re just not.”
Even Neville’s 16-year-old daughter texted him at half-time asking “what’s that?” His reply said it all: “You can’t kid and con a football fan, no matter who they are.”
This is becoming a pattern of embarrassment. The players let managers down time and again. They let the fans down time and again. No running. No fight. No determination.
These are the absolute basics, and they should be ashamed to have them levelled at them so repeatedly.
The owners aren’t off the hook either, far from it. They need to go. They’ve wrecked this club. But that is no excuse for the players failing to do the simplest things required of a Manchester United side, no matter who is in charge.