@Discombo25rll@MrCrowbarBlunt This is going nowhere, you’re literally describing Eren’s conception of freedom while arguing against me for saying Armin gave him that conception. 🤣🤣
@Discombo25rll@MrCrowbarBlunt You’re literally restating my argument and then arbitrarily stopping halfway through it 😭 Yes, Armin showed Eren a vast world he could explore, and THAT became his image of freedom. But Eren explicitly fixates on the “look” in Armin’s eyes and calls it a “dream I couldn’t see.”
@Discombo25rll@MrCrowbarBlunt 🥱 Keep using the 131 flashback while ignoring what Eren actually says in 73. He admits he never even thought about what was beyond the walls until Armin showed him the book. Armin didn’t just make him realize he was unfree, he gave Eren an image of what freedom looked like.
@Discombo25rll@MrCrowbarBlunt “It only showed him he was unfree” makes zero sense because you can’t recognize yourself as unfree without forming some conception of what freedom looks like. Armin’s book gave Eren that conception, causing him to idealize the outside world as the freedom he lacked. 😭😭😭
@Eddardstark2nd@MrCrowbarBlunt No, 73 already establishes the desire. Eren says seeing the look in Armin’s eyes as he talked about the outside world is what made him realize he wasn’t free. 131 is the payoff it shows what Eren had projected onto that dream and what “that sight” ultimately meant to him.
@Eddardstark2nd@MrCrowbarBlunt Yes, Eren has always been someone who fights against anything that denies him freedom, that’s what he tells Zeke. But Armin’s book gives that drive a concrete ideal. Eren sees the look in Armin’s eyes and realizes he isn’t free. From then on, he wants to experience that same “loo
@MrCrowbarBlunt That’s the irony of Eren saying “I think we were born this way.” He says it AFTER Reiner confesses his selfish desire. Eren sees that desire as fundamental to their nature, yet as you admit, Reiner’s desire for recognition was itself cultivated by his environment.
@MrCrowbarBlunt Reread ch100. Eren starts the conversation by empathizing with Reiner, saying, “I’m the same as you,” initially believing that they both simply kept moving forward as a result of their nurture and circumstances. Reiner rejects this and confesses that, beyond his circumstances, he
@shadow35502@u_nemetia@heyimposh This theme applies to essentially every character, BUT eren. That is the very purpose of his character LMAO. Eren makes it clear that he WANTS to believe the future cannot change to undermine the reality that his actions ARE the reason the future cannot change.
@u_nemetia@shadow35502@heyimposh It's hilarious how he reduces Kenny's speech to "fake deep bullshit" when it represents a core theme of AOT alongside the cycle of hatred. Self-transcendence is something almost every major character achieves except eren, who remains enslaved to his innate desires.
@Guidovoolik@cybervagabonds None of these characters r comparable to eren writing wise besides reiner, and even then eren is far more explored thematically. Reiner is consumed by his guilt, while eren is consumed by his nature even when he "opposes" it. His character explores the duality of mind vs nature.