M.Sohail

Slave of Allah.
Cat Lover.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@bahlul_majnun @saladin0070 @cooldoc786 @asad786ahmed @UmarElhashmi You entered a conversation without preparation kid. You don't even know what we have been hammering down the brains of deobandis for the last 3 days. Why did you invite yourself in this conversation when you don't even know what it is about?

[Haroun Kanj | Halwa Supremacist 🍮 @HarounKanj]

This will never make sense to me.
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[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@bahlul_majnun @saladin0070 @asad786ahmed @UmarElhashmi I am shocked you do not get it.
"last" under discussion is:
1. Last of all prophets to be born,
2. Last of all prophets to be sent,
3. by default, no other prophet shares this office,

This is what is true for our Nabi ﷺ and this is why he is referred to as seal of Prophets.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@saladin0070 @bahlul_majnun @asad786ahmed @UmarElhashmi This is a beautiful argument. It's a pit it's going above his head.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@bahlul_majnun @cooldoc786 @saladin0070 @asad786ahmed @UmarElhashmi Man you sound like Qadianis.
Do you believe another prophet shares office of finality with our Nabi Mohammad ﷺ?
If your answer is no, it is this "finality ﷺ" which is the point of discussion. How can you even say this "finality ﷺ " can be applicable to Ahmad & Ali? BAD

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@asad786ahmed @saladin0070 @bahlul_majnun @UmarElhashmi Since you are unable to answer coherently to contradiction highlighted, you have jumped around straw-manning our positions.

Useful Post: https://t.co/bDIsFFokfM

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@asad786ahmed @saladin0070 @bahlul_majnun @UmarElhashmi Saying it is not an intrinsic quality does not save you from the absurdity of multiple seals of Prophethood. Prophet ﷺ was the last of ALL Prophets to be born and last of All Prophets to be sent. His Nazirs would by definition go against the very definition of khatamiyat.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@asad786ahmed @saladin0070 @bahlul_majnun @UmarElhashmi It is impossible because the existence of one is a negation of the other by the very definition of the word khaatamiyat.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@saladin0070 @asad786ahmed @bahlul_majnun @UmarElhashmi EXACTLY. It is a non sequitur. I also keep noticing that he avoids the actual discussion at hand which is the fact that it is MUHAAL AQALAN for simultaneous existence of two Khatimul Anbiyah.

What a shame.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@asad786ahmed @bahlul_majnun @UmarElhashmi Wait. Are you saying that there cannot be two last prophets or are you saying there can be?

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@asad786ahmed @saladin0070 @bahlul_majnun @UmarElhashmi You literally made a joke of yourself. Because impossible لغيره here is "Another Prophet [other than our nabi ﷺ ] being the last Prophet.

Nazir on the other hand entails simultaneous existent of two last Prophets which is rationally absurd. This is the topic under discussion

[Haroun Kanj | Halwa Supremacist 🍮 @HarounKanj]

@BalaamAndDonkey The founder of the Qadiri Tariqa is Sh Abdulqadir Jilani. He was a Hanbali, not an Ashari. Hanbalis are not fans of Kalam.
As for Ghazali, he was an Ashari.

This is a deceptive post.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@hashimiyy_ @Hass_1302_ @saladin0070 @UmarElhashmi @SheeisM39853 Rationally speaking Can the concept of Khatamiyah be attributed to MULTIPLE PROPHETS at the same time in the same sense?

^This is what is under discussion.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@hashimiyy_ @saladin0070 @Hass_1302_ @UmarElhashmi @SheeisM39853 This is not the question I asked.

My Question:
Are you telling us you are unable to rationally conceive idea of a last Prophet without revelation ?

2nd Point: Rationally can there be MULTIPLE LAST Prophets?

Your question is entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@asad786ahmed @saladin0070 @bahlul_majnun @Hass_1302_ @UmarElhashmi Hold on. Just because we came to know that Prophet ﷺ is final through scripture, how does that lead to saying two final prophets is not rationally impossible? لغيره argument is for a Prophet after him ﷺ . It's NOT for multiple seals of Prophethood.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@sIbnYusuf @KaafiyahChannel @hashimiyy_ @UmarElhashmi If Allah had made someone else the last Prophet, the nazir of Nabi ﷺ [which would be rationally possible in that case] is NOT the same Nazir* which was deemed rationally impossible.

Judgement of rational impossibility is upon "multiple lasts"

Thus, there's no Inqilab ul Haqaiq

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@sIbnYusuf @KaafiyahChannel @hashimiyy_ @UmarElhashmi Nazir of the last is rationally impossible because it entails a contradiction last is not a last. This does not mean being last is in and of iself rationally necessary for a particular Prophet. This also DOESN'T negate the contradiction highlighted. [1/2]

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@sIbnYusuf @KaafiyahChannel @hashimiyy_ @UmarElhashmi How did you jump from our position, "It is rationally impossible for there to be two or multiple last prophets"

to

"this means it would be rationally impossible for Allah to make someone else the last Prophet"?

It's a non-sequitur.

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@sIbnYusuf @KaafiyahChannel @hashimiyy_ @UmarElhashmi If is mumtani aqlan for number four to be an odd number since it is from the lawazim of dhat, why is not mumtani aqlan for "last to be NOT a last"? Having nazir of the last in and of itself entails a contradiction "last is not a last".

[M.Sohail @Solace4Mu]

@sIbnYusuf @KaafiyahChannel @hashimiyy_ @UmarElhashmi I don't see how it oppose Ashari thought.

The way I see this issue is very simple:

Can there be two lasts ?

This is rationally impossible.