@rubentoteles@Lugganathcel Also, yeah, the theory of her growing rebellion after knowledge of the fingers lie is an important thing to consider in *why* the Order failed.
@rubentoteles@Lugganathcel That's societal. Admitting she did "great" things and changed the status quo isn't admittance that she is the only one capable of doing so.
@rubentoteles came away from the game with the idea that the Golden Order somehow isn't fundamentally flawed... To which I just don't really know what to say because I feel like the only way one can come to that understanding is by ignoring all the atrocities and decadence shown in the game
@Lugganathcel This is only a bad thing if you believe the Golden Order itself to be bad. It removes the Gods and their fickleness from the equation, which is what caused it to fail in the first place, it degraded, it became a shattered, bastard version of itself
@Lugganathcel@rubentoteles Tell me how exactly you see Marika, the founder of the Golden Order, as a symptom of it? She was broken, but that happened before she ascended to Godhood, in her homeland