@jasonbegg5@omni_joe Huh? What are you even saying?
You’re arguing that TURN 2 you need THREE Zoro, gravity mountain or boss, 2 energy, zekrom, plus black belt or mochi with pech?
You must be drunk
I’ve tried a variety of lists, both top lists from previous regionals
@jasonbegg5@omni_joe I mean I’m just naming a plausible scenario that plays out very often. You’re just saying “well if you have the exact right combination of cards then you win”. Like yeah that would be nice, if I could make that happen we wouldn’t be having this talk
@jasonbegg5@omni_joe Not if they have Hydrapple in active. Or Arboliva, etc etc, or Beedrill.
Plus what happens if they stamp you after just one punch? If you only got the one Zoro on board, you’re gonna be stamped with no Zoro on board cuz they KO it to go to 3 prizes left
@jasonbegg5@omni_joe That’s a lot to ask for the deck, you need to have all the pieces all at the same time on the second or 3rd turn of the game, with just a single turn of using trade. And then you also risk getting stamped immediately too.
I don’t think it’s super easy like some ppl say
@jasonbegg5@omni_joe Can you tho?
Ogerpon decks typically have a turn 2 one prize KO. That means that at the earliest you need a turn 2 KO or a turn 3 2 prize KO, depending on if you go first or second. Typically with Zoro you play Lillie or cyrano turn one, and then you need boss turn 2 (cont)
@jasonbegg5@omni_joe And how do you beat the ogerpon decks?
I also struggle vs chomp, lucario etc. I feel like you have to draw the nuts to beat those ppl. Way too easy for them to get OHKO’s
@spooksnack@omni_joe Trust me, I would love nothing more to play Zoro, I love the deck, I just think it’s in a bad spot in the meta rn. I do love beating up on Pult though. Maybe I need a crash course on it
@XavierPTCG@amcharles0 Maybe I will, believe me I love Zoro and want to do well with it, I just hate flipping the opening Pokemon and knowing you have like a 40% win rate to most of the meta
What is Lumiose city for? I imagine it’s only good turn 1 or 2 and you probs don’t get it that often?
@XavierPTCG@amcharles0 And yes ik ur original point was about Bolt, but the matchups are played basically the same given that they both OHKO Zoro. I know the lines, but it’s a card game, and there’s variance
@XavierPTCG@amcharles0 That’s reasonable, but I can’t describe the feeling showing up to locals vs hydrapple round 1 and watching them bug catching set 3 times in the first 2 turns knowing you aren’t getting the turn 2 or 3 2 prize KO
It’s MISERABLE
@XavierPTCG@amcharles0 Then ur just on the good side of variance. My list has 12 item search plus 4 Lillie plus 2 cyrano
Acting like it’s a skill issue is wild
@XavierPTCG@amcharles0 It’s incredibly difficult to drop down 2-3 Zoro on the same turn you start attacking, and this all has to be done on the 2nd turn of the game, it’s chopped
@ZmanCuddles Does a one of Mega Gatr fit in? Gives you a chance to OHKO anything, and the receycled Neo can spring into it along with candy
Feels seamless