@Lunacy30964935@_namori_fan_ socialism says nothing about the government doing stuff. in socialism there can be independent businesses. free market can exist in socialism. i also asked “what is socialism” for an important reason
@keysersoze2271@docrussjackson the reason i always deflect is because you say things and don’t specify why/how or give examples. socialism does not fail to consider greed, maybe you mean communism, socialism is not even far from capitalism, the only difference is workers own the factories.
@keysersoze2271@docrussjackson socialism isn’t about everyone owning things, commonly, it’s about people owning the things they use to work. it’s not that the factory you work in is controlled by everyone, but that you, working in it, own a share of the revenue and decision in it.
@keysersoze2271@docrussjackson the thing is real socialism has never been tried, because when there was real will to, it was invaded and destroyed, where there wasn’t, they became authoritarian and failed to become socialist. and again, if you disagree, point out a socialist country.
@keysersoze2271@docrussjackson instead of calling it an excuse, tell me why it’s an excuse. give me an example that was, in fact, real socialism, and failed. socialism has a very specific definition, you can’t argue venezuela was socialist, like literally. but you can point me to an example of socialism.
@keysersoze2271@docrussjackson …democratizing them, which is not having the workers own the means of production
3. he did not change the social relationship of labor in venezuela.
the private sector persisted.
all he did was make the state authoritarian and basically establish a petro-state. no socialism.
@keysersoze2271@docrussjackson let’s go with venezuela, then if you want any other we can go there.
chavez failed to implement socialism in these aspects:
1. he enlarged the state (common misconception, socialism does not want a big state at all, quite the opposite)
2. he nationalized resources without …
@EvilCirno@_namori_fan_ socialism is not when the government does stuff. did you know that there can be free market under socialism, and that’s actually a very common view for it? socialism has nothing to do with government and all it says is workers own the factories they work in and the tools they use
@elonmusk if by AI you mean LLMs, then it’s not really intelligence. I would say intelligence implies some sort of real logical ability, reasoning, while LLMs lack that.
@HuntersOfNazis nope, no anti zionist believes 2 and 4, those are the antisemites. i think you’re missing that antisemites will also end up being anti zionists, but most anti zionists are not antisemites. Hitler was terrible, the holocaust happened, israel is repeating it. no confusion.