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@jack_w_cfc @mankvill Literally just went to a show at someone’s house recently. You can go to them too if you pay attention

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@XfrogbaseballX Go to a local show and you’ll see this isn’t the case. And if your local scene is exclusively kids playing beatdown that’s not indicative of everywhere else

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@shrediiknight @kiwiviolence Slam as its own thing will never go away and it’s bigger now than ever. But in hardcore trends come and go so fast that the “brutal hardcore” thing barely lasted a year and people are sick of it

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@RazLikesRocks @kiwiviolence Yes people have been doing slam for years and years but I took what he was saying to mean the explosion of FRP-clone bands in the last year…esp how wildly popular it’s been in the actual hardcore scene

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@FpsUnfriendly @hicksinferno Plausibly not ragebait. Calling cold as life Beatdown gotta be the ultimate litmus test on whether you actually listened to their music or not

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@hicksinferno Calling cold as life beatdown, especially born to land hard, is insane. There’s quite literally one “beatdown” part on the whole thing

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@kiwiviolence @xsaddestdayx Don’t look up what Integrity was up to in the 90s. All Dwid seemed to do was piss as many people off as he possibly could

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@xsaddestdayx Surprised how much of a revelation this is to people. No matter what journalists might lead you to believe hardcore is full of fucked up people with fucked up viewpoints. Thats from local level all the way up to “legendary” bands. Doesn’t make it right but its the reality

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@reesthorpmason Old guys from the original NYHC scene who grew up in poverty and were (or still are) actual criminals are saying dodgy shit? Man that’s never happened before

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@hayleyrFoto It’s not the fact that people in hardcore have bought adidas shoes, it’s the blatant commercialisation of DIY music and culture. Outbreak has nothing to do with hardcore outside of using it as an aesthetic selling point. Same goes for the bands who do this too

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@Wish_Dragon_ @Tentaclestuff @skeletonheads It’s not about being good or bad or even dissuading people. It’s the lack of creativity (for lack of a better word) in terms of crowd participation. In the past everyone in the crowd was doing their own thing, now everyone looks the same

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@Tentaclestuff @skeletonheads It’s not so much they can’t do it, it’s more looking at it like a checklist of certain things you do to certain parts

Can confirm the people in bands whose style people copy are sick of seeing it too

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@Pwrviolencefan Been trying to figure out the root cause of all this is and I think this is definitely part of it. The threshold for what is considered acceptable in hardcore now is so far beyond recognition that you get criticised for pushing back against this kind of slop

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@0v3rstayer Hardcore as a concept has been corporate slopped to death over the past couple of years. It’s affected everything even down to the DIY level, truly dark times

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@BriaNamtar I’d go as far as to say that Cruelty as an album is musically far more original and effective in terms of songwriting than any extreme band of that era. There’s genius all over that record, particularly in the drums and guitar interplay. Every second of it is memorable

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@hicksinferno There are so many. None as quite as good as this but there was tonnes of MySpace bands who did the chaotic scene grind thing with breakdowns. Heavy Heavy Low Low, Into The Moat, Ed Gein to name a couple, probably hundreds more I don’t know about

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@evilbeerman @TwiceDeadd In fairness gangster (polite term) slam was always the most popular thing in that genre. Pretty much anything Eastern European from the early-mid 2010s, I remember deathcore and Beatdown getting onboard big time. Those bands were definitely called false slam too

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@tofeelhealed That being said though, lot of people in UK hardcore losing their minds over it. It’s a poorly-aged, badly put together deathcore album that if it wasn’t the fact they were early to the trend at the time nobody would care about