I’ve changed a lot got saved by Christ and now I realize that being conservative is more then just increasing the GDP and carpet bombing every nation on the earth…
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie “Sanctified intuition” I’m sorry if this sounds uncharitable but this appears to be subjective. Who has the correct “sanctified intuition” what if someone claims to have this same intuition about your jurisdiction or any of the other off-shoot reformed jurisdictions?
“…God never, or with respect to evil actions, determines the human Will. This at last fully asserts God as immune from the Causality of sin. … he who determines the human Will to sin can by no pact, and under no sub-distinction, be absolved from the causality of sin.”
—Samuel Strimesius, An Ingenious Inquisition Into Arminianism
@PrezbyBlargus@ehenes@redeemed_zoomer@pftk_org Again those concerns are valid, but I’m worried about how cooler heads must prevail and we should ideally have a cooled down environment where we can all work together towards a common goal of re-uniting our jurisdictions. Spreading old discord drama, and X arguments won’t help.
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie A denomination could be said to fall when it has absolutely made it impossible to enforce any type of orthodox discipline or when it attempts binds all members to Hersey (in the sense of making heretical views the necessary attributes of the essence of the denomination.)
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie That’s the difficult part, and really this is why debating over how particularly long is not a good idea. Because of the potency to spawn Eccesial sectarianism and therefore especially in this day and age we must have much more patience with faithful ministers In the mainline.
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie I’m not familiar with such matters but I would say that it can be reasonable to assume that like in Old Testament era of The Church Catholic there is indeed a faithful remnant within such a denomination (like the PCUSA) and therefore it is not reasonable to say that it has been
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie Be encouragement for faithful ministers to file complaints against formal manifest heretics instead of simply proclaiming that there simply isn’t found any faithful ministers.
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie I would assume that there are some who do want to file complaints, inaction does not exactly mean that one is going against their vow. For they can act later and fulfill their vow in that way. Therefore instead of claiming something that is quite the task to prove, there should
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie Reprobated unless there is proven absolutely no faithful shepherds in said denomination that would be willing by their will discipline the wicked, it would be quite the task to prove such a apostasy (in the sense of there being absolutely not one single faithful shepherd left.)
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie I’m not familiar with such matters but I would say that it can be reasonable to assume that like in Old Testament era of The Church Catholic there is indeed a faithful remnant within such a denomination (like the PCUSA) and therefore it is not reasonable to say that it has been
@ehenes@redeemed_zoomer@pftk_org I’m not that familiar with the fact that you once rooted for Op:r thanks for informing me about that. Truly I wish things didn’t get this bad especially since that we both would like to see the various jurisdictions re-united. Also you did mention the “retaking quote”
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie Essentially does an institution have to completely lose their capacity (in the sense of either institutionally either destroy any the ability for any clergymen to enact orthodox discipline or to institutionally bind all members of said denomination to Hersey.)
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie This is very true, however when it comes to the capacity of a institution what seemingly matters in concerns about those institutions which have been liberalized is not necessarily those individuals in said institution but the institutions which are in question.
@ReformedArsenal@jamesfcubie How does the mere “toleration” of obviously very heretical things cause one to lose what can be said to be the mark of church discipline? For it would be seemingly more reasonable to say that the destruction of one to exercise discipline would be grounds to lose that mark.
@ehenes@redeemed_zoomer@pftk_org You do have a point of concern Rev. Henes, however I do wish for there to be ecumenical dialogue and I do wish that you would have considered more charitable outcomes other then that he supposedly even aligns with those who are manifest formal heretics. Not saying this in malice