Tom Del

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@eFTee2 @rootcausesleuth Pretty much. Think of Zeus the king of the gods and man being all the little gods and Zeus is constantly doing battle with them😂😂

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@rootcausesleuth @gr8tstocks How can God write and omit names before the foundation of the world in the book if he does not know the future ?

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@dtorres91705 @residentreformr 👆🏼👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

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@rootcausesleuth @jimmyblack33 Yes it was stated you know the Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world?

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@writeontheedg3 @Jmacdog7 Are you a Mormon?

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@TeachingbridgeM @writeontheedg3 All in the name of protecting their precious LFW

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@TeachingbridgeM @writeontheedg3 I completely agree we should begin with God’s character.”

As well as theology proper

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@TeachingbridgeM @writeontheedg3 I don’t think they have one and the ones that do are more than happy to strip God of one incommunicable attribute after another

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@TeachingbridgeM @writeontheedg3 That would have been a few months ago

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@TeachingbridgeM @writeontheedg3 TBM
Way off topic but were u the one that posted a link about Edward’s and libitarian free will?

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I just surveyed 25 translations and not a one has a parentheses. Clark needs the parentheses and he tells you why

He needs it because the real problem for Clark is not what the verse says rather it is needed based on his personal philosophical presuppositions that

“ it is evident that what God’s hand and counsel determined before to be done was not that which Herod, Pontius Pilate the Gentiles Romans, and the people of Israel had done and we’re doing”

Why is it evident in his opinion?

“For then, the rage and vain counsel would be such as God himself had determined to take place, which is both impious and absurd”

Well it is not evident that’s it makes God impious nor absurd. His philosophical position demands a parenthesis, one he just makes up.

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@BethanyMcGrew @Soteriology101 “It says they were gathered together against Christ”

No it doesn’t!! that is not what the text says the text says they were gathered to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

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@BethanyMcGrew @Soteriology101 Whom did he gather? Pilate et al.
Why did he gather them? To do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel and thy council determined before to be done.

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A far cry? Sheesh It’s exactly what the text states!! “FOR TO DO WHATSOEVER THY HAND AND THY COUNSEL DETERMINED BEFORE TO BE DONE

The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

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@BethanyMcGrew @Soteriology101 Anyway pick your poison either God determined Pilate et al to deliver him up or God determined that Pilate et al hinder delivering him up. Either way we have God determining the acts of men who are themselves responsible for their actions.

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Acts 4 :28 speaks for itself. Herod, Pilate, the Gentiles were gathered to do what Gods hand and plan was predestined to happen. Unless you think Pilate et al we’re not responsible for their actions as Gods instruments then the ability issue is really irrelevant.

Scripture is clear God is sovereign in all things and man is responsible. That you have a philosophical issue with that does not negate that fact. As I said the problem is not the verse as it is very straight forward,the problem lies with your philosophical presuppositions that you bring to the text.

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@BethanyMcGrew @Soteriology101 Well yeh ,hard for God to predestine and determine an act without being responsible. You continue to presuppose that those committing the act are therefore not responsible as well. Was Joab not also responsible for his actions?

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@BethanyMcGrew @Soteriology101 Your whole objection and that of Clark’s rest not on scripture rather on your presupposition that if God determines an act then the person committing that act cannot be held responsible